Thread: Does God REALLY Put Diseases on Us?

The important thing is that Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the law and God doesnt either put or permit diseases to be put on those who walk in faith in his promises. It's a new covenant, something mr. Bentorah doesnt relate to.

If we start at the other end with the lake of fire then there is no question that that is God's doing, Satan cannot possibly be involved since he is under the very same judgment himself. What we do know is that God does not treat those who are in right standing with him like that. He doesnt give his obedient children scorpions when they ask for bread but he might give that to his enemies. I've been reading through most of the old testament during the last two months and if we focus on only what amounts to God himself speaking then it is quite clear that he engages actively in judgment, not merely permissively. But it is hard to determine which is which. Some times he wants his permissive judgments to be undone, some times that is out of the question.

Here is an example of God expressing determination to judge his own people for their sins :

Jeremiah 37:6*Then the word of the*Lord*came to the prophet Jeremiah, saying,*7*“Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Thus you shall say to the king of Judah, who sent you to Me to inquire of Me: “Behold, Pharaoh’s army which has come up to help you will return to Egypt, to their own land.*8*And the Chaldeans shall come back and fight against this city, and take it and burn it with fire.”’*9*Thus says the*Lord: ‘Do not deceive yourselves, saying, “The Chaldeans will surely depart from us,” for they will not depart.*10*For though you had defeated the whole army of the Chaldeans who fight against you, and there remained*only*wounded men among them, they would rise up, every man in his tent, and burn the city with fire.’”

This happened before the final siege of Jerusalem and the following exile to Babylon. God is determined to destroy Jerusalem and send them into exile even if they had been able to defeat the Chaldeans by their own might.

I'm not that interested in arguing with you as your type of response invites to. If every man among the Chaldeans had been wounded or dead then someone would have made the wounded rise in their tents, head for Jerusalem, overcome the victorious Israelites and manage to set the city on fire. That is what verse 10 says. Who or what do you suggest would have made that happen ?

Jesus said the Kingdom of God works by sowing and reaping and since God said He gave man dominion when man was created... ultimately we decide what comes upon us.

If we oppose God and attack His work in the earth, you can expect some bad things to come on your life whether you believe God sent them or simply allowed them, either way... do bad, you will experience bad.

Do good, and you will experience good although doing good by supporting and participating in God's work will put a target on yo back where satan and his minions will try to shut you down thru the things Jesus spoke of in Mark 4:14-20

Seedtime and Harvest

Scriptures that speak of sowing and reaping - Genesis 8:22, Mark 4:26, Matthew 13:24, Galatians 6:7,8 and Romans 5:14-21 demonstrates how seedtime harvest causes things to produce after it's own kind whether it's good producing good, or evil producing evil.


Genesis 8:22
While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Mark 4:26
So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground

Matthew 13:24
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Galatians 6:7,8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.
For he that sows to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 5:14-21 demonstrates how seedtime harvest causes things to produce after it's own kind whether it's good producing good, or evil producing evil.

Romans 5:14-21
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam (God says Adam died) to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification.
For if by one man's offense death reigned by one (talkin 'bout Adam); much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


Isaiah 3:10-11
Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him

Companion scripture for Isaiah 3:10-11 found in the New Testament:

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth (God's Word), but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.


Matthew 3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 7:17-20
Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Hebrews 6:8
But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Matthew 7:19
Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.

John 15:1-15
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Galatians 6:7,8
For he that sows to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

We sow sin, we ultimately reap eternity in the lake of fire. Unless that is undone through the new birth. The lake of fire is God's doing which means that God takes part in the "reaping", his role isn't merely permissive. If it had been then he would merely let us end up in Hades to remain there and then do nothing. He could have stopped at throwing the devil into the lake of fire since that place was originally intended for him but he chooses to throw the sinners into the lake of fire as well.