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    Are devils and demons different creatures?

    Seems they are....devils being the fallen angels and demons most likely being the disembodied spirits of a prior pre-adamite civilization.

    There are 2 different words that the KJV casually interchanged and used 'devil' to describe both: daimonion and diabolos.


    Notice that in interchanges with satan, diabolos is used:

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...ngs=1228&t=KJV


    But in cases where oppressive spirits were cast out, daimonion is used:

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...ngs=1140&t=KJV


    It seems pretty clear from the Strong's search on 'devil' that there are two different types of entities being described because of the use of those two different Greek words.

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    So then what do you do with these 3 scriptures where diabolos is used?

    Women likewise must be serious, not slanderers, but temperate, faithful in all things (1 Timothy 3:11).

    inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good (2 Timothy 3:3).

    Likewise, tell the older women to be reverent in behavior, not to be slanderers or slaves to drink; they are to teach what is good (Titus 2:3).

    So are the two verses talking about women, are the women devils or demons?

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    They are slanderers or accusers like Satan ?

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    r we talking trump or hillary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    Seems they are....devils being the fallen angels and demons most likely being the disembodied spirits of a prior pre-adamite civilization.

    There are 2 different words that the KJV casually interchanged and used 'devil' to describe both: daimonion and diabolos.


    Notice that in interchanges with satan, diabolos is used:

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...ngs=1228&t=KJV


    But in cases where oppressive spirits were cast out, daimonion is used:

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...ngs=1140&t=KJV


    It seems pretty clear from the Strong's search on 'devil' that there are two different types of entities being described because of the use of those two different Greek words.
    I would be more convinced that they are the disembodied spirits of a post-Adam, pre-flood civilization.
    While their fathers were chained in the pit right away for going after strange flesh and committing sexual immorality, they were not. And then we see them begging Jesus not to send them to the abyss.


    In Luke 8 (where Jesus invented deviled ham) it shows this:

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    26 Then they sailed to the country of the Gadarenes,[c] which is opposite Galilee. 27 And when He stepped out on the land, there met Him a certain man from the city who had demons for a long time. And he wore no clothes,[d] nor did he live in a house but in the tombs. 28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, “What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!” 29 For He had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For it had often seized him, and he was kept under guard, bound with chains and shackles; and he broke the bonds and was driven by the demon into the wilderness.

    30 Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?”

    And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him. 31 And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.

    32 Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they begged Him that He would permit them to enter them. And He permitted them. 33 Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine, and the herd ran violently down the steep place into the lake and drowned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    I would be more convinced that they are the disembodied spirits of a post-Adam, pre-flood civilization.
    While their fathers were chained in the pit right away for going after strange flesh and committing sexual immorality, they were not. And then we see them begging Jesus not to send them to the abyss.
    There is nothing about this in the New Testament. Nephilim or giants aren't mentioned with a single word anywhere in the NT. Jesus doesn't even bother to mention David fighting Goliath.

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    I'm in the middle of reading an interesting theory of how the Nephilim gene/seed was carried into the post flood world by Ham's wife. It is pretty interesting.

    http://beginningandend.com/bloodline...iblical-study/

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    That was interesting, and had some good points too. It is an angle that I had never looked at before, that's for sure. The scripture does show that Ham was cursed and that He was the father of Canaan, which was infested with nephilim. Hmmmmmm

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    I already mentioned this in the other thread months ago. Rob Skiba explores it at great length in a book he wrote that was very good. There are others that completely disagree with his premise, but I kept emphasizing in the other thread that there was something genetic about the entire line of Canaan as the nephilim tribes came from him/his seed. Technically, after the flood, it started with Nimrod.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    That was interesting, and had some good points too. It is an angle that I had never looked at before, that's for sure. The scripture does show that Ham was cursed and that He was the father of Canaan, which was infested with nephilim. Hmmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    I already mentioned this in the other thread months ago. Rob Skiba explores it at great length in a book he wrote that was very good. There are others that completely disagree with his premise, but I kept emphasizing in the other thread that there was something genetic about the entire line of Canaan as the nephilim tribes came from him/his seed. Technically, after the flood, it started with Nimrod.
    But I'm slow. It takes me a while to catch up.

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