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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Right. But that question makes no sense at all to me. How can the body dwell in the soul? He's going somewhere with it I think. It seems to be along the sames lines as a couple of other memes on the FB page that lead to his universalism beliefs. Just can't figure out how this relates though. It may not. He is a member here. Maybe he will show up.
    He's gone from osas to universalism ? He used to argue osas with an attitude that reminded me of theological universalists. Kind of like anything different was simply impossible.

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    Universalism? Wow.

    How does one go from annihilationism to universalism?
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    My pondering about the relation of the soul and the body does not arise in relation to my view on universalism but from elsewhere.

    I find that Christians have often been taught a particular view or interpretation, and they never question whether or why it is so. It seems we often think about the place of the soul as within the body, so my pondering is about what if it were the other way around and it is the body that dwells within the soul?

    I think one main reason we think of the soul as within the body is because the body is what we can experience through the physical senses. It is an empirical reality, and we have been conditioned by the modern viewpoint that arose from the "Enlightenment" to give precedence to what is empirical and can be measured and experienced through the physical senses.

    Is the soul contained IN the body? Is the spatial limit of the body the spatial limit of the soul?

    Even in regard to the physical realm, and especially in consideration of quantum physics where such things as entanglement and non-local causality can be demonstrated, it is unclear what the spatial limit even of the body is.

    In 1 Thessalonians 5:23, Paul says, "May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

    So, he speaks of spirit, soul and body, but he gives no indication of the actual relationship between them, except that they are all three a part of who we are. However, he does not say that the spirit dwells within the soul or the soul dwells within the body.

    The modern world sees a separation between the spiritual and the physical. But in the Bible we read that God, who created the heavens and the earth (i.e., the universe) is Spirit. This seems to me to indicate that the spiritual and physical realms are connected, and in such a way that the physical realm is dependent upon the spiritual realm. The modern view tends to see the spiritual as either non-existent or as having no real effect on the physical. But the view related in the Scriptures and in the early Church seems to be very different. The spiritual realm is very much a part of the world and has very much to do with what happens in the world.

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    I was going to ask him, but didn't. I don't even get the question.
    Sounds akin to a Zen "koan"...


    noun, plural koans, koan. Zen.
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    a nonsensical or paradoxical question to a student for which an answer is demanded, the stress of meditation on the question often being illuminating.
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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Matthew 6:22-25
    (22) The lamp of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
    (23) But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
    (24) No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
    (25) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?




    Luke 11:34-36
    (34) The lamp of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
    (35) Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
    (36) If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.
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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions. It is our personality and what makes us individual persons. It is intricately linked with the spirit, which we have no sensation of...but the spirit downloads to the soul (mind)---and the mind to the body. So, it follows that of course, the soul is not located on the outside of man. It is who we are. When the soul and spirit leave a man---he dies. Our spirits and souls together makes us who we are. Our shell is not who we are. So...when the spirit man leaves the body, the soul also goes, and so we as believers go to be where Jesus is! We will be recognized and known...and I would venture to say that our spirit man looks just like our outer man---and our person hood will not change, except we will be perfect, complete in Christ, bearing no defects!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDoles View Post

    I think one main reason we think of the soul as within the body is because the body is what we can experience through the physical senses. It is an empirical reality, and we have been conditioned by the modern viewpoint that arose from the "Enlightenment" to give precedence to what is empirical and can be measured and experienced through the physical senses.

    Is the soul contained IN the body? Is the spatial limit of the body the spatial limit of the soul?
    I think it's best to be careful in this line of thinking. It's on the shifty path to astral projection.

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    Thanks, Lista. I always try to be careful in any line of thinking. I am not talking about an astral body.

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    Seeing that the spiritual realm is non-physical, it is incongruous, even incoherent, to speak of our spiritual selves in terms of spatiality. So it is unclear how the immaterial part of us (spirit and soul) can actually be considered as contained within the spatial limitations of our bodies, which are physical.

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    People can sense the anointing going into them and residing in their heart or going out from their hearts and touching others, including going through their bodies. They can sense the Holy Spirit manifesting around them and even moving in a location like a wind. There is a reason why the Bible connects the spiritual side of us to an organ that is internal to our bodies, the heart. It also talks about the inside of the earth as its heart. When applying the intellect to the things of God and to the Bible it is of course possible to force any conclusion one desires and the end of doing so consistently will be some sort of New Age belief where the Christ has disappeared from sight.

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