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    Thread Update: 180 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. In that time nearly 70 posts have arrived. At the end of a year I expect to see the number up to 140.

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    According to Siddhartha Guatama, there is no personal "soul" that continues to exist beyond the demise of one's organic body; ergo: one's original self no longer exists after death.

    So then in Buddhist rebirth; what is reborn if not the person? Answer: Buddhist rebirth is not a resurrection; but rather; a rearrangement of the karmic matter that was once a particular individual.

    Simply put, karmic matter is like the pieces and parts that go into assembling a chariot; which when dismantled, the pieces and parts can be utilized to construct some other conveyance; with very possibly another gender too; which means that if Steve Jobs is back on earth as rearranged karma; then he/she just might be back as a sea urchin, or a termite, or a fruit bat rather than a human being. He could even be kelp spore in the Pacific ocean off the coast of San Diego, or even as E.coli 0157-H7 in the belly of a cow being fattened up with genetically engineered grain in one of Tyson's concentrated animal feeding operations, or as an Indonesian child destined to work for peanuts in one of Nike's offshore sweat shops making shoes and sports apparel selling for big bucks to Chinese consumers.

    In addition: reincarnation doesn't stop with one event; but is potentially a never-ending cycle of birth, misery, and death called samsara.

    Unlike reincarnation's potentially never-ending cycle of birth, misery, and death; Christianity allots but one resurrection per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:29, Rev 20:5-6). So then, those who undergo a second death in the reservoir of liquefied flame depicted at Rev 20:10-15 won't be coming back in another form because they will have used up their one allotted resurrection in order to face justice at the Great White Throne.

    Pop Clock Update: 183 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 10,184,316 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since July 25, 2015.

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    Q: Since God created us the way we are; then He is ultimately responsible for our conduct; right?

    A: Some years ago I went into a music store in San Diego and noticed that one of the store's glass display cases contained a rather large variety of curious bottles. So I asked the clerk what they were. He said they were bongs. You mean for smoking dope? I asked. He replied: Yes; that is their purpose. So I responded: But isn't dope illegal? He replied: Yes, dope is illegal, however we don't sell dope; we only sell the means to smoke it. You see; the responsibility for smoking dope was on the end-users of bongs rather than upon the sellers of bongs.

    In a similar incident, I went into an electronics store to purchase a mobile CB radio and noticed an array of devices in the display case that I didn't recognize. The clerk told me they were linear amplifiers; which, he said, are devices for boosting a standard 5-watt CB's signal strength. I asked the clerk if that was legal. He said no, it isn't legal to boost the standard signal. However, he said, it isn't illegal to own equipment with the capability to do so. In other words; the law placed the responsibility for boosting CB signals on the end-user of linear amplifiers rather than the sellers of linear amplifiers.

    What I'm getting at is: God created humanity with the capability to make bad choices. But at the same time, He created humanity with the capability to make good choices too. In the incident involving the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; Adam chose poorly. Does it make sense to blame God for Adam's choice? No. Adam knew the risk going in; but proceeded anyay.

    But you see: so-called "product liability" is a convenient way of blaming others for our own failings. In other words: product liability's proponents insist that the availability of things like forbidden fruit, bongs, and linear amplifiers constitutes enablement. So these days instead of saying "The devil made me do it; therefore my conduct is his fault" now people say "I was provided the means to do it; therefore my conduct is the provider's fault."

    Many of the products under sinks and out in garages are toxic; so manufacturers put warning labels on them. They do the same thing with electrical equipment, power tools, and mechanical devices so people can operate them safely and avoid injury. Now; placing those products for sale to the public constitutes enablement, but they're assuming end-users are intelligent enough to read warning labels and/or user's manuals. If users ignore warning labels and the cautions printed in manuals; it's their own fault for being stupid.

    Pop Clock Update: 186 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 10,351,272 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since July 25, 2015.

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    †. Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

    Back in 1968 I was a young 24 year-old welder just starting out in the metals trades. One of the first real welding jobs I landed was with a manufacturer located in one of the buildings that were at one time used for knocking together liberty ships in the old WW2 Kaiser shipyard on a waterfront of the Columbia River in the State of Washington.

    One day the manufacturer's layout man was strolling through the shop. He stopped where I was and casually asked me, right out of the blue: "Cliff are you ready for Christ's return?"

    Well, the only information I had up to that point as regards Christ was what I learned from nuns in catechism. They had never mentioned Christ's return; so the layout man's question made no sense to me whatsoever. But to the point: my initial reaction was fear. And my secondary reaction was anger. So I asked the layout man, in a rather indignant tone: "Why would Christ want to come back?"

    You see; I was in no hurry to meet Christ because I instinctively knew the interview would not be pleasant. Even at only 24 years-old I already had a lot to answer for; and I especially did not want to be confronted with my behavior in private when I thought nobody was looking.

    Pop Clock Update: 189 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 10,351,272 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since July 25, 2015.

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