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    1 Enoch

    I just read through the first book of Enoch, the one some Christians claim isn't corrupted. It's mildly interesting and many passages can be read as prophecies concerning the Messiah. I noticed a few things, besides the thing about the ridiculously large giants which is an obvious hyper-exaggeration. There's a mention of departed saints praying for the living while in heaven. That would make Catholics happy but it's hardly biblical. There's a mention of chariots somewhere, which I doubt existed at the time of Enoch but we cannot know for sure. 58:1 has "In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch" which directly contradicts Genesis 5:23 which states that "So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years."

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    Dr. Brown holds to the "angel impregnating women" theory on Genesis 6 and a corresponding reading of 2 Peter and Jude. That's about as far as he goes with it. The Nephilim ended with the giants of the OT and they don't affect the gospel. I consider the notion that they do affect the gospel to be a serious error - that the plan of salvation is all about fighting Nephilim bloodlines.

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    1 Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.
    2 And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

    So the book of Enoch interprets "the sons of God" in Genesis 6 as angels rather than as godly chiefs among men. The same book is quoted by Jude in the Bible. Or it may be a quote that Jude derived from a source that we no longer have, we cannot be sure about that. This is the verse he quotes :

    1 Enoch 2:1 Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.

    Like 2 Peter, Jude also talks about the fall of angels. Jude eloborates more on this fall than Peter does :

    Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
    7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    Like the corresponding passage in 2 Peter, this passage can be interpreted as speaking of a general fall among angels. The video I posted above lead me to have another look at the original Greek manuscript which is easily accessible in my Blue Letter Bible app.

    The NKJV translation is a bit fuzzy. It says that some angels left their "proper domain" but the Greek word for all of that is simply "arche" which means beginning, origin, first estate. "but left their own abode" involves a Greek word which is used only twice in the New Testament. The other verse is this one :

    2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
    2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,

    Which speaks of a heavenly body. If we substitute this information into the verse from Jude then it becomes

    6 And the angels who did not keep their "original estate", but left their own "bodies"

    the next verse likens these to :

    7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh

    If we read that literally in the context of my version of verse 6 then it says that these angels left their original heavenly bodies and went after strange flesh, presumably in a new bodily form that allowed for that. The "strange flesh" could very well be the women of Genesis 6 - which would be as "strange" to these angels as the same gender was to the sinners of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    The crystal clear dream vision I had 2 years ago where I saw fallen angels in the shape of what looked like Hindu gods to Hinduists made me think about this interpretation. The angels of the vision must have left their heavenly bodies and then, at least temporarily, they took on the mentioned bodily form to appear to Hinduists like that. Whether they were without any bodily form in between or if they retained their heavenly bodies until they did that, I do not know. But they looked bodily real in the dream vision. You could say that that vision made me more lenient to the above reading of the passage from Jude and therefore the corresponding reading of Genesis 6.

    That doesn't explain the procreation part of course, it merely suggests that they were able to take on bodily form for long enough to manage to have sex with human women at least once. "took wives" doesn't have to refer to more than that. How such a union would produce actual offspring I don't know, some have postulated that they merely modified already existing human fetuses or sperm genetically. Maybe this happened again after the flood, maybe that was a different type of giants. Like Dr. Brown, I take no interest in speculating further than the procreation part. In the grand scheme of things I doubt if it's particularly interesting but it could have some bearing on what fallen angels could possibly come up with (again) in this day and age. The dream vision itself suggested non-sexual interaction but nothing having to do with sex or procreation.

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