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    Trump's latest tweet, ust a few minutes ago:

    We will never be a Socialist or Communist Country. IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY HERE, YOU CAN LEAVE! It is your choice, and your choice alone. This is about love for America. Certain people HATE our Country....

    ....They are anti-Israel, pro Al-Qaeda, and comment on the 9/11 attack, “some people did something.” Radical Left Democrats want Open Borders, which means drugs, crime, human trafficking, and much more....

    ....Detention facilities are not Concentration Camps! America has never been stronger than it is now – rebuilt Military, highest Stock Market EVER, lowest unemployment and more people working than ever before. Keep America Great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    Of course, that's not how it works. Anyone who is a citizen of this nation has a right
    to criticize its policies and advocate for change through the media and through the
    political process. That's Democracy 101.
    And anyone who is a citizen of this nation has a right to suggest others leave if they don't like it.

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    And anyone who is a citizen of this nation has a right to suggest others leave if they don't like it.
    Yes, of course.

    I only said that his tweets are laughable, not that he doesn't have a right to say them.

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    AOG implied last week that Pelosi was a racist. Tucker Carlson said this in response, but it also applies here in Trump being called a racist.

    "What are the odds in real life that AOG actually believes that Nancy Pelosi is a racist? Or that Joe Biden is a racist? Or for that matter that Donald Trump is a racist? What are the chances she really thinks that?

    Probably about zero. The first thing to know about the cries of racism that you hear incessantly from the left, they are totally insincere. No one saying it actually believes it. The point isn't to get rid of racism. The point is to seize power. And it works.

    Denouncing someone as racist is a kind of a rhetorical stun grenade. For a moment the accused just stands there looking off balanced and bewildered. That's when you scoop up the loot and run.

    Grievance politics is a kind of a smash and grab operation. Entirely effective. It's no surprise that the left justifies its entire political program in the name of fighting bigotry. "


    The whole segment is good. About 7 minutes. To much to transcribe.


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    Those 4 Dems are now holding a press conference. Another Trump tweet:

    The Dems were trying to distance themselves from the four “progressives,” but now they are forced to embrace them. That means they are endorsing Socialism, hate of Israel and the USA! Not good for the Democrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
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    The first thing to know about the cries of racism that you hear incessantly from the left, they are totally insincere. No one saying it actually believes it. The point isn't to get rid of racism. The point is to seize power. And it works.
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    Sure, this is the way political discourse takes place in our nation today: instead of actually debating the pros and cons of particular policies, just throw a label at your opponent.

    "Racist", "Socialist", "Hates America": all just meaningless labels, when used as they are today in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    Sure, this is the way political discourse takes place in our nation today: instead of actually debating the pros and cons of particular policies, just throw a label at your opponent.

    "Racist", "Socialist", "Hates America": all just meaningless labels, when used as they are today in America.
    Racist is nebulous. So is 'hates America' to some extent. Socialist is very easy to identify. I don't think that belongs in the list. Pretty easy to identify socialist ideas.

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    Racist is nebulous. So is 'hates America' to some extent. Socialist is very easy to identify. I don't think that belongs in the list. Pretty easy to identify socialist ideas.
    Well, the textbook definition of socialism is "any of various economic and political theories
    advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of
    production and distribution of goods" (from Webster).

    But most people who use the word don't mean it that way. People generally use it to refer
    to a variety of policies through which government provides goods and/or services to residents
    for a price that does not reflect the cost of providing the good or service. Examples: public schools,
    public roads, public water supplies, police and fire protection, food, health care, air quality protection etc.
    The common denominator is that the government doesn't charge each resident the pro-rated cost of
    providing the service.

    Within the list of such goods and services, you would find wide agreement about some, but disagreement
    about others. Which is fine, that's what the political process is for: working out which of these things
    you want to do and which you don't want to do. But dismissing all of them, without any discussion,
    as "socialist" doesn't seem to me to add a whole lot of value.

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    In light of all this, Trump is very ill-timed in many of his tweets, and many things should have never tweeted. He's his own worst enemy in a lot of cases, unless he just doesn't care or this is part of a grand strategy, and it some ways I think it is, but could be more well thought out. If he'd have used his tweets strategically and been a little more 'statesman' in how he handles things, while still making the same points, he would be indestructible with the kind of results he's getting in government.

    This reminds me of the Colin Kaperneak tweets. The whole kneeling controversy had basically died down, and was really one game from going away, then Trump tweets about it and creates a huge firestorm and next thing you know you have whole teams kneeling, etc, and it cause the controversy to go on for many more months.

    With these tweets agains these 4 congresswomen, you had them basically accusing the moderate Dems of being racist, AOG implying Pelosi was racist, and the Dems were getting a taste of their own medicine from the radical left of their party. Lots of infighting starting up, Dems starting to devour themselves. Then he says this, and now they Dems are all united again against Trump and these other issues are on the back burner between the Dems. Leave them alone, they'll destroy themselves. And stick to points with real substance in our nation.

    Maybe somebody else can come up with his this is a good thing instead of the way I am looking at it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    But they're using the word 'racist'. I can see how anti-immigrant could be seen, but still don't think it is. He's not against immigration.
    Very few people are racists in the strict sense of the word, which implies that one race is largely superior to the other race. But a lot of people are less lenient on individuals from a different race than their own or the ones they are used to being around. Trump may find it easier to look down his nose at individuals whom he finds objectionable if they in addition are latinos or they are from a family of recent immigrants and especially if they hail from one of those "shit hole countries" that he allegedly referred to Haiti as. He may still get along very well with typical African Americans, people whose families have been in the US for centuries.

    People are very touchy about racism these days and perceiving someone as what I described above may lead them to define someone as racist. My perception of Donald Trump has always been that he is the haughty type so that may be his real problem.

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