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    Colonel,
    re: "You meant Mat 28:1."

    No, I meant Mark 16:1. From the link: "Meanwhile the sun had risen and Mary the mother of James, Salome and certain other women went to the tomb, bringing the spices that they had prepared to anoint Him. "

    Mark 16:1 from the KJV: "And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    Colonel,
    re: "You meant Mat 28:1."

    No, I meant Mark 16:1. From the link: "Meanwhile the sun had risen and Mary the mother of James, Salome and certain other women went to the tomb, bringing the spices that they had prepared to anoint Him. "

    Mark 16:1 from the KJV: "And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him."
    Ok. The point is that Matthew, Mark and Luke include her among the women that went to the grave but John pinpoints that she arrived earlier and her personal story is a bit different to that of the others. One could say that the gospel accounts are some times generalized, meaning they lack detail. Which doesn't mean that they cannot be harmonized by including detail from all the accounts into a whole.

    The synopsis is a harmonization, not simply a string of word-for-word quotes from the gospels.

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    Here's an excerpt :

    (Mat 28:1-4)

    And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.

    (John 20:1-2)

    Now it was after the Sabbath and the first day of the week and Mary Magdalene went to the tomb very early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
    Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and I do not know where they have laid Him.”

    (Mat 28:5-7) (Mark 16:1-7) (Luke 24:1-8)

    Meanwhile the sun had risen and Mary the mother of James, Salome and certain other women went to the tomb, bringing the spices that they had prepared to anoint Him.
    The women said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” But when they arrived at the tomb they looked up, and they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large.
    Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining, white robes. Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, the young man on the right side, one of the angels, said to them :
    “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus of Nazareth who was crucified. Why do you seek the living among the dead? He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’ ” And they remembered His words.
    “But go quickly, tell His disciples—and Peter—that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him, as He said to you.”

    (Luke 24:12) (John 20:3-17)

    Upon hearing the words of Mary Magdalene, Peter arose and went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb. So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there by themselves, and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. Then the disciples went away again to their own homes. And Peter marveled to himself at what had happened.
    But Mary stood outside by the tomb weeping, and as she wept she stooped down and looked into the tomb. And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. Then they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?”
    She said to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him.”
    Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?”
    She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”
    Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him, “Rabboni!” (which is to say, Teacher).
    Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

    (Mat 28:8-10) (Mark 16:8-11) (Luke 24:9-11) (John 20:18)

    Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.
    Meanwhile the other women had gone quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word. And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see Me.”
    Then they returned from the tomb and told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest, as they were mourning and weeping. It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them, who told these things to the apostles. And their words seemed to them like idle tales, and they did not believe them.

    (Mat 28:11-15)

    Now while they were going, behold, some of the guard came into the city and reported to the chief priests all the things that had happened. When they had assembled with the elders and consulted together, they gave a large sum of money to the soldiers, saying, “Tell them, ‘His disciples came at night and stole Him away while we slept.’ And if this comes to the governor’s ears, we will appease him and make you secure.” So they took the money and did as they were instructed; and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

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    Colonel,
    re: "...John pinpoints that she [Mary M.] arrived earlier..."

    So are you saying that Matthew is referring to the 2nd time that she went to the tomb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    Colonel,
    re: "...John pinpoints that she [Mary M.] arrived earlier..."

    So are you saying that Matthew is referring to the 2nd time that she went to the tomb?
    Matthew, Mark and Luke don't differentiate between the arrival times of Mary Magdalene and the others, only John adds that detail by placing her arrival at before instead of after dawn like the other women. One may think of it as a discrepancy but it may as well simply amount to a lack of detail in the other gospels. The other gospels lump her in with the other women without telling her personal story.

    Mark does however note that Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene (16:9) and thereby collaborates the chronology suggested by John even though Mark doesn't discuss the details of how that happened.

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    re: "Matthew, Mark and Luke don't differentiate between the arrival times of Mary Magdalene..."

    So with regard to the Matthew account, you don't take a position as to whether of not the account is referring to a 1st visit or a 2nd visit by Mary M.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    re: "Matthew, Mark and Luke don't differentiate between the arrival times of Mary Magdalene..."

    So with regard to the Matthew account, you don't take a position as to whether of not the account is referring to a 1st visit or a 2nd visit by Mary M.?
    No, the stories of Mary Magdalene (plus Peter and John) and the stories of the other women are intertwined. They aren't at the grave at the exact same time and it's not clear when they meet each other. Possibly they don't meet until they all arrive at where the other disciples (except Peter and John) are, to tell their stories to them.

    It's likely that the other disciples found the other women's story more interesting since it involves a prophecy about meeting up with Jesus in a location in Galilee and it's that story that found its way into the gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke. Only John who himself was involved in Mary Magdalene's story tells that specific story in his gospel. Mark demonstrates in 16:9 that he knows about her story but he doesn't tell the story. The gospel of Mark is particularly brief but the other gospels have each their own focus and brevity was a concern since as John mentions, there were too many stories to tell.

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