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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    I know! It would be almost like meeting Elvis!
    I knew you would consider it a dream come true, since Elvis is your type of star. But really sonny, you have to be teachable to find the Truth. You've got a ways to go to get there. Now put away your geeetar, forget Dr. Brown and get out the Word an study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
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    You didn't even discuss all the mistakes on the first chart you posted. Now you are back with another source?
    At least this time they are not lying about scripture like the first one did. This chart is accurate. We both agree on that. What you do not understand is that both sides of that chart happen at the same time: The day of the LORD.

    The same author of 1 Thessalonians 4 also wrote 2 Thessalonians 1:

    2 Thessalonians 1:3-10 (NKJV)

    3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other,

    4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure,

    5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer;

    6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,

    7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,

    8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

    10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
    I am still (quite patiently) waiting for you to produce even 1 single scripture which separates the rapture of the church from the Lord taking vengeance on the ungodly.

    And while you are at it, could you also show a single scripture in context showing that there is a 3 1/2 or 7 year period between the rapture of the church and the Lord taking vengeance on the ungodly?

    You say that these things are the absolute truth, yet are unable to produce the scripture that proves it.

    2 Timothy 2:23-25 (NKJV)

    23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.

    24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,

    25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,








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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    I knew you would consider it a dream come true, since Elvis is your type of star. But really sonny, you have to be teachable to find the Truth. You've got a ways to go to get there. Now put away your geeetar, forget Dr. Brown and get out the Word an study.
    Elvis is dead, thank you very much. The King I am waiting for is Jesus, who will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire. He is coming to be glorified in His saints and admired. I plan on admiring Him on that day. He is coming as a thief, right after the 6th bowl is poured out.
    15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

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    The Church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the appearing of the Antichrist (2nd Thessalonians 2:7,8). There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period. In fact, if you want proof of a Pretribulation Rapture, you'll find it simply by studying the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    The Church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the appearing of the Antichrist (2nd Thessalonians 2:7,8). There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period. In fact, if you want proof of a Pretribulation Rapture, you'll find it simply by studying the Bible.
    Nice copy and paste from the internet.

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    Is that your final answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    The Church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the appearing of the Antichrist (2nd Thessalonians 2:7,8). There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period. In fact, if you want proof of a Pretribulation Rapture, you'll find it simply by studying the Bible.
    That passage doesn't say anything about the church being raptured Nikos.

    2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 (NKJV)

    6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
    That passage says "He who restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way". It doesn't say the church. It could mean that the Holy Spirit is restraining until the Father says it is time to stop restraining.

    Jesus Himself said "In this world you will have tribulation". The fact is, that there has been tribulation since the birth of the church.

    The church in Smyrna was warned by Jesus that they were going to go through a short period of tribulation.

    He also told the church at Thyatira that He was going to cast their false prophetess and her followers into "great Tribulation".

    He told the church at Philadelphia that He was going to spare them from the tribulation which was coming upon the whole earth.

    In Matthew 24 Jesus told His disciples that "great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be" was starting in what we now understand from history was 70 A.D. Just last week, great tribulation happened in Sri Lanka. 300 Christians were killed. When islam was born and spread, millions of Christians were tortured and beheaded for their faith. This was great tribulation.

    John tells us that the spirit of the anti-Christ was already in the world when he penned his epistles.

    Revelation 16 tells us that we will be here through the first 6 bowl judgements, and then verse 15 shows the rapture of the church: "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."


    If those 6 bowl judgements don't portray the "great tribulation", then what does?




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    This video shows great tribulation. It also shows the fate of the 7 churches of Asia Minor. You will learn a lot in just the first 10 minutes of this video.



    15 minutes into this video and you get a real good picture of "great tribulation".

    At 23 minutes you see a major destruction of Arab Christianity.

    At 43:51 he shows what happened to Asia Minor.

    Look at 44:44 and tell me that we have not been experiencing "The great tribulation".

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    I must say that watching that video with scripture in mind the whole time really brings the great tribulation right out into plain sight for all who will look in sincerity.

    Dr. Warner is not a theologian. He is a scientist looking at the data. Probably doesn't have a clue as to how the things he is teaching about islam are all found in the Bible.

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