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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    What is referred to isn't particularly dramatic. Their governing coalition decided that since it couldn't get its reform package through parliament therefore it was time for a different governing coalition to take over and it resigned. Elections are coming up in April which will naturally produce another government. Their governments have been trying to pass health reform packages for the last 14 years without success so this is more about stalemate in parliament than about anything else.

    The article linked in the post above reads like propaganda more than anything else. I don't really care what it's propaganda for or against but it is propaganda.

    https://www.aftenposten.no/verden/i/...gjering-gar-av
    The key thing to me isnt that their Government fell. European Governments rise and fall all the time . Its that their much vaunted healthcare system is in desperate need of reform

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    Quote : "America may be a long way from Venezuela’s tragedy, experts say. Polls show that many of the 37 percent of Americans who say they support “socialism” actually have in mind the generous welfare states seen in Europe, rather than the traditional definition of socialism – the nationalization of production."

    Finland belongs in the welfare state category, what Chavez eventually implemented in Venezuela is real Socialism and is quite different - the AOC kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    The key thing to me isnt that their Government fell. European Governments rise and fall all the time . Its that their much vaunted healthcare system is in desperate need of reform
    I think that that is a key feature of any government, one way or the other.

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    Huh? Venezuela is a prime example, it went from the WEALTHIEST country in South America to the poorest, with people literally starving to death, in less than 20 years when they chose the socialist route:

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-so...ic-basket-case
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I was debating with a friend of mine on FB some weeks ago over socialism. I told him to look at all of the countries where this was tried and you will see that it always fails. His response was that those countries started out poor and that is why it didn't work for them. He further elaborated that we are in a country that is already doing well financially so it will work for us.

    I pointed to the fact that if our country is doing well then it is due to CAPITALISM. This means we can only maintain this stability through capitalism.

    People seem to be deceived by all of the "free" that socialists offer but they do not ever think to consider the consequences. Sooner or later, because we have rid ourselves of capitalism and use the left over money to fund the socialist programs, this money will eventually run out and since there is nothing producing an income it fall. However, common sense truly is not as common as it used to be.
    What we see in North Western Europe is a lot of countries that have implemented elaborate welfare systems successfully within largely Capitalist societies. It could be argued that there is no point unless there is a certain level of prosperity and equality to begin with. Which is the opposite of when poorer countries all over the world were taken by the Communist world dominion agenda and tried to implement outright Socialism in an attempt to become prosperous that way. The ones that failed the least were large countries with a lot of resources - the Soviet Union and China. The smaller and poorer countries typically fared worse.

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    What we see in North Western Europe is a lot of countries that have implemented elaborate welfare systems successfully within largely Capitalist societies. It could be argued that there is no point unless there is a certain level of prosperity and equality to begin with. Which is the opposite of when poorer countries all over the world were taken by the Communist world dominion agenda and tried to implement outright Socialism in an attempt to become prosperous that way. The ones that failed the least were large countries with a lot of resources - the Soviet Union and China. The smaller and poorer countries typically fared worse.
    Not really sure I would call it successful . None of them is sustainable and they are all with the exception of maybe Norway subsidized by the US consumer/tax payer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    I'm with Paul the apostle-Those who don't work don't eat.
    I agree with you, the concept of giving everyone a salary even if they refuse to work while being totally able to belongs in lala land. It's beyond what the original Marxists and Communists dreamt of. Everyone was supposed to work but in Utopia they would get away with working less - unless they really wanted to work. Let's hope the Finns don't try to implement the concept in general.

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