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    Controversial Personality of the Week - Rick Warren

    So lets go over this again. Why do so many have such heartburn about this guy?

    Im talking about substantive issues, not impressed with criticism of his being diplomatic with other denoms. Perhaps he has gone too far on some statements.

    But the Chrislam thing ended being a trumped-up deal from what I read.

    Purpose Driven life is scripturally based, yet people make it like its demonic or something.

    Some argue he is some kind of Universalist, or dont like the company he keeps. Again, does association necessarily imply sinful collaboration or cooperation with evil? Are world leaders allowed only to sit in the same room with their own people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    So lets go over this again. Why do so many have such heartburn about this guy?

    Im talking about substantive issues, not impressed with criticism of his being diplomatic with other denoms. Perhaps he has gone too far on some statements.

    But the Chrislam thing ended being a trumped-up deal from what I read.

    Purpose Driven life is scripturally based, yet people make it like its demonic or something.

    Some argue he is some kind of Universalist, or dont like the company he keeps. Again, does association necessarily imply sinful collaboration or cooperation with evil? Are world leaders allowed only to sit in the same room with their own people?
    Links to material that discusses what you are talking about would be helpful.

    I noticed that Rick Warren has a positive commentary on Daniel Kolenda inside Kolenda's book "Live before you die" from 2013. So he's at least positive about Charismaticism though he is a Baptist megachurch pastor.

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    Colonel, any Search on web or youtube should easily lead to Rick Warren and heretic in the same sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    So lets go over this again. Why do so many have such heartburn about this guy?

    Im talking about substantive issues, not impressed with criticism of his being diplomatic with other denoms. Perhaps he has gone too far on some statements.

    But the Chrislam thing ended being a trumped-up deal from what I read.

    Purpose Driven life is scripturally based, yet people make it like its demonic or something.

    Some argue he is some kind of Universalist, or dont like the company he keeps. Again, does association necessarily imply sinful collaboration or cooperation with evil? Are world leaders allowed only to sit in the same room with their own people?
    While I have never accepted the accusations that Warren was New Age or Chrislam, I do not believe his PPD book is "scriptural" even though he quotes Scripture. When I was first forced to read PPD (the church I was a member of had us use it for our cell meetings) I saw it as devotional Calvinism. This was confirmed for me years later In an interview between him and John Piper where he admits that his book is based on the Westminster Confession (a Calvinist document). He admits to being a "monergist":

    "Theologically, I am a monergist and firmly hold to the five solas of the Reformation. It’s pretty obvious from the book that I believe in foreknowledge, predestination, (see chapter two, “You Are Not An Accident”) and, especially, concurrence — that God works in and through every detail of our lives, even our sinful choices, to cause his purposes to prevail. Proverbs 19:21 (NIV) is one of my life verses."

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    While I have never accepted the accusations that Warren was New Age or Chrislam, I do not believe his PPD book is "scriptural" even though he quotes Scripture. When I was first forced to read PPD (the church I was a member of had us use it for our cell meetings) I saw it as devotional Calvinism. This was confirmed for me years later In an interview between him and John Piper where he admits that his book is based on the Westminster Confession (a Calvinist document). He admits to being a "monergist":

    "Theologically, I am a monergist and firmly hold to the five solas of the Reformation. It's pretty obvious from the book that I believe in foreknowledge, predestination, (see chapter two, "You Are Not An Accident") and, especially, concurrence — that God works in and through every detail of our lives, even our sinful choices, to cause his purposes to prevail. Proverbs 19:21 (NIV) is one of my life verses."

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/b...ren-monergist/
    Also, I deal with some of Warren's teachings in this book:
    https://www.amazon.com/Untying-Gods-...s=troy+edwards

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    I can tell you firsthand what it is like to come in after a pastor pushed this on his church. Just a hint, the covenant was the breaking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    I can tell you firsthand what it is like to come in after a pastor pushed this on his church. Just a hint, the covenant was the breaking point.
    It was the hardest thing for me to deal with when I felt pressured to study and teach from the book during that period of time. You want to submit to your pastor but at the same time you know that something is not quite right with the material, especially since I had been dealing with Calvinism during that period and was able to easily spot it. I also saw a decline in our church as well during that period. Basically, it was a not so subtle way of introducing and converting churches to Calvinism. In my PPD "journal" which us church leaders were required to use I marked a lot of my disagreements with the book (notes which became most helpful when I wrote my book "Untying God's 'NOTS'").

    However, I was more frustrated with the CRITICS of Rick Warren at the time. They kept focusing on Warren being "New Age" and on dumb things like "using multiple English translations". I kept asking myself, "Why isn't anyone taking notice with the real problems with this book which is leading people away from active FAITH to blatant FATALISM!!!"

    But I have personally seen the destructive power this book has on churches and individuals.
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    In the same manner, I could feel a constricting spirit of control in the program. The arrogance that is communicated in a very (devilish) subtle way that says “we do church on purpose”. When I first heard this some 20yrs ago I laughed and said “took him long enough to figure it out and then made a living off it”. I wont criticize him for his other stuff but for me the whole program was a fad that built numbers but failed miserably in convincing the discerning that they needed the program to be relevant.

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    OK, well that is very interesting. So for Troy its more about Calvinism than anything else. I can place that one - fair enough.

    But the sense I get from people is more like he's an agent of Satan - like what the ? Give me something concrete - not just parroting other people who treat him like the plague (setting aside the Calvinist part for now, which I understand for some that is a "plague").


    For FB its a spirit of control thing. I am not close enough to sense that - just didn't know.

    What about the Celebrate Recovery? Seems to me it was a good thing to Christianize/Scripturalize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post

    What about the Celebrate Recovery? Seems to me it was a good thing to Christianize/Scripturalize it.
    From what little I know of it, Celebrate Recovery is a good Christ-centered alternative to AA.

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