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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    The New York law labels abortion a “fundamental right” and defines a person as “someone who has been born.”
    If inconvenience to someone is to be the measuring stick then why not "someone who is under 70 years old or has 'life prolongment insurance'" ? Or just "someone who contributes more to society than they receive from society". The days of totalitarian racism of various kinds are probably over but the days of sorting human beings according to ice cold criteria are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    https://www.christianpost.com/news/n...ny-reason.html

    Democrat Govt in NY are no longer trying to hide they are evil murderers
    The article says "for any reason" but that doesn't seem to be the case :

    https://www.timesunion.com/news/arti...s-13551825.php

    "Finally, it legalizes abortion after 24 weeks in cases where it would protect a woman's health or where a fetus is not viable. State law previously only allowed abortions after 24 weeks if the woman's life was in jeopardy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post

    "Finally, it legalizes abortion after 24 weeks in cases where it would protect a woman's health or where a fetus is not viable. State law previously only allowed abortions after 24 weeks if the woman's life was in jeopardy."
    The only thing different is that the woman's life doesn't have to be in jeopardy. Where will the line be drawn for mental health? That seems to be the angle they're taking....a woman's health....her emotional, or mental well-being, not just her physical life in jeopardy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    The only thing different is that the woman's life doesn't have to be in jeopardy. Where will the line be drawn for mental health? That seems to be the angle they're taking....a woman's health....her emotional, or mental well-being, not just her physical life in jeopardy.
    At least it doesn't imply late term abortion at will.

    There are three aspects to abortion laws. Circumstances under which the authorities are prohibited by law to perform an abortion. Circumstances under which the woman may apply for an abortion but the authorities make the decision. Circumstances under which the woman is free to choose.

    One may paint things black in advance and declare that the authorities in the state of New York will now grant late term abortions "for any reason" but is there any precedent for assuming that it will be like that ?

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    Man Charged With Killing Pregnant Woman Won't Be Charged With Abortion Due To New York's New Law
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    New York's new law allowing late-term abortion has resulted in the dropping of abortion charges against a man arrested for murdering his pregnant girlfriend....


    ...Irigoyen's boyfriend, 48-year-old Anthony Hobson, turned himself in to the 104th Precinct in Ridgewood, New York, and was arrested for the murder. He was initially charged "with murder, tampering with physical evidence, abortion, and criminal possession of a weapon," according to Gothamist, but the "abortion" charge was later dropped.

    The Post reports that the abortion charge was dropped because of a new state law that allows abortion up to the minute of birth. Even though Irigoyen wanted her baby, it was not considered a life under the new law. A spokesperson for the District Attorney told the Post the abortion charge "was repealed by the Legislature, and this is the law as it exists today."

    As The Daily Wire's Amanda Prestigiacomo previously reported, the law, called the Reproductive Health Act (RHA), repealed abortion from the state's criminal code and removed the law limiting abortions beyond 24 weeks. The abortion can be performed by a licensed practitioner in "good faith" up to the minute a baby is born "to protect the patient's life or health," yet "health" is not defined in the legislation.

    Ostensibly billed as a "women's healthcare" law, the RHA states that ""every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to have an abortion." Irigoyen didn't get to make those choices, yet the man who did won't be charged for ending a pregnancy she wanted.

    As The Daily Wire's Emily Zanotti previously reported, this bill removed protections for "wanted" children by removing abortion from the criminal code. Until January 23, someone murdering a pregnant woman and her unborn child would be charged with abortion under the state's existing murder laws. That charge was removed on January 23.

    Irigoyen and her unborn child were murdered on February 3, less than two weeks after the law went into effect.

    The New York State Catholic Conference opposed the law, saying that it "removes accountability for those who would harm unborn children outside the context of medical termination of pregnancy."

    As Irigoyen's case shows, the NYSCC was right. There will be justice for Irigoyen's murder, but not for that of her unborn child, whom she wanted. Could Hudson have gotten away with just the lesser charges had he only stabbed and killed Irigoyen's unborn child?

    New York abortion activists cheered wildly when the new law passed.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    At least it doesn't imply late term abortion at will.

    There are three aspects to abortion laws. Circumstances under which the authorities are prohibited by law to perform an abortion. Circumstances under which the woman may apply for an abortion but the authorities make the decision. Circumstances under which the woman is free to choose.

    One may paint things black in advance and declare that the authorities in the state of New York will now grant late term abortions "for any reason" but is there any precedent for assuming that it will be like that ?
    The authorities will not be making the decisions on who gets a late term abortion and who doesn't. The doctors will. And there is most definitely a precedent set for doctors pressing the envelope for money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    The authorities will not be making the decisions on who gets a late term abortion and who doesn't. The doctors will. And there is most definitely a precedent set for doctors pressing the envelope for money.
    "it strips abortion from the state's criminal code and places it entirely within the realm of public health law"

    Public health law, does that mean that medical doctors can be the judges of that even if they have profit as a motive ?

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    This whole 'if the woman's life is in jeopardy' thing is nothing but a straw man. It basically gives them the right to murder any baby they want by placing it in that category. Very rarely is a woman's life in danger due to childbirth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    This whole 'if the woman's life is in jeopardy' thing is nothing but a straw man. It basically gives them the right to murder any baby they want by placing it in that category. Very rarely is a woman's life in danger due to childbirth.
    Has that actually happened in other places with the same law, that every woman who asks is granted a late term abortion ? It's not the same law as in Canada where women (apparently) can abort their babies up until birth - at will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    "it strips abortion from the state's criminal code and places it entirely within the realm of public health law"

    Public health law, does that mean that medical doctors can be the judges of that even if they have profit as a motive ?
    It's my understanding that a doctor's medical expertise trumps that of a governing body. Should the doctor find the abortion to be "medically" necessary then his or her opinion will dictate that decision. Especially in this scenario, where they've opened up the window to what is "women's health."

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