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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Dr. Michael Brown on the prosperity gospel. He talks about private jets from about 52 minutes. He has rebuked Creflo Dollar publicly for his private jetting but he also says that for some ministries having a private jet can "make business sense", especially when they share it with other ministries.

    I would encourage anyone to watch the whole video before they comment, which I did.

    Although I may disagree with him on some points, and it's just a few, and I may say a few things a different way, it's actually a very balanced assessment, and he qualifies what he's saying throughout. It's far from a critical/bashing video and he is sincere in attempting to be fair with what he says. Say unlike if it was a HH video. Lot's of "if they're really saying this, it's heretical, but if they mean this, then I agree with that. And we can't judge their heart. Only God knows." So he balances it and qualifies every thing he says very well.

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    How about supernatural gas fillings?
    Hello everyone!

    How about no gas in tank, but car still drivable? Happened to me. Took a wrong turn and got lost in No-man’s-land, Oklahoma. Pitch black dark with no gas station in sight. I began praying and called a friend on the phone to keep me company, and talk me through. Thank God I did have my weapon with me...Just in case. LOL!

    This was soon after I started Rhema, so I had no idea where I was. I can’t say the gas tank was “completely” empty, but the needle was so far past “E”, I don’t see how there could have been any gas in it. Finally spotted a gas station. I know, that I know, that I know, it was God making that car go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    BAP mentioned the floating axe head in the Bible. Can you imagine if that wasn't in the Bible and Copeland said that happened to him? Wheezer might blow a gasket.

    My point being some of the 'ridiculous' sounding stuff isn't so 'ridiculous' when you actually look at what happened in the Bible.
    Yeah, like a virgin giving birth to a baby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Nothing wrong with a preacher owning a jet as long as it is intended for ministry purposes, preaching the gospel, and helping to meet the needs of the poor in third world nations.
    Hmmm? So if he or she is wealthy enough to own a “private” jet to take family vacations or just travel from one place to another, that would be wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    Hmmm? So if he or she is wealthy enough to own a “private” jet to take family vacations or just travel from one place to another, that would be wrong?
    No! Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have private jets and can use them for any purpose they want. They bought the plane with their own money.
    The difference with a ministry jet is that the plane was purchased from a 501c3 non-profit corporation with tax deductible donations given by ministry partners and/or church members.
    There are IRS rules, guidelines, and regulations that governs the ministry founders that they must abide by under the 501c3 banner to what is permissible when operating the ministry aircraft.
    If the ministry founders paid for their own private jet with their own personal funds, they are free from such government restrictions and may use their personal aircraft any way they please. Just as Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do when they fly to different locations for vacation and pleasure seeking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I would encourage anyone to watch the whole video before they comment, which I did.

    Although I may disagree with him on some points, and it's just a few, and I may say a few things a different way, it's actually a very balanced assessment, and he qualifies what he's saying throughout. It's far from a critical/bashing video and he is sincere in attempting to be fair with what he says. Say unlike if it was a HH video. Lot's of "if they're really saying this, it's heretical, but if they mean this, then I agree with that. And we can't judge their heart. Only God knows." So he balances it and qualifies every thing he says very well.
    Yeah, it's not just another entry in a trench war between jaysayers and naysayers like things have been around here a lot of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Yeah, it's not just another entry in a trench war between jaysayers and naysayers like things have been around here a lot of the time.
    Exactly.

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    Here's his follow up video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_AC8RO0Iq8

    A little shameless self promotion here. At the 7 minute mark he plays a clip from one of my videos on Justin Peters. I called in at 45 minutes in, not realizing that he had played the clip because I joined the call late. At any rate, I followed up with an email and it looks like I'm going to get to do an interview with him.

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    Sorry. I guess I don't know how to insert a YouTube video.

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