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    Heres where I would be careful about assuming his motives were only to use methods only to "build a big church."

    What In am getting here us that the sermon aspect is purposefully to create a wider net to connect to people. The followup discipleship part is supposedly the part where they go to the next level in growth and depth. I have not been at their discipleship group so I dont know.

    But arguably, there is the weakness, where the type of people who are drawn to the more connective sermon are willing and seeking for that next layer of growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Maybe Mr. Stanley should study his bible a bit more before teaching others.
    Maybe I should get the context and the whole story before commenting on another brother. Dr. Brown's interview with Pastor Andy Stanley was very eye opening. I apologize for making such a quick judgment before even knowing all the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Answers in Genesis founder and president Ken Ham is calling Georgia pastor Andy Stanley a “false teacher” for comments Stanley made in a recent sermon on the connection between Christianity and the Old Testament.

    Ham’s comments on June 22 sparked a lively discussion on his social media accounts, with some taking Ham’s side and others defending Stanley.

    “Is Andy Stanley a false teacher?” Ham asked on his Facebook page and Twitter feed. “He compromises Genesis and certainly teaches that those of us who insist all the Bible (including OT) is true are putting a stumbling block in people's way to hearing the gospel. But it’s Stanley who is undermining God’s Word -- yes, a false teacher.”

    Ham also discussed Stanley’s sermon in the June 22 episode of Answers News. He posted a clip of Stanley’s sermon on his social media accounts. Stanley is senior pastor of North Point Community Church.

    “Many have lost faith because of something about the Bible or in the Bible – the Old Testament in particular,” Stanley says in the clip. “Once they can no longer accept all the historicity of the Old Testament, once they couldn’t go along with all the miracles, once somebody poked a hole in the Genesis creation, you know, myth – once all that went away suddenly their house-of-cards faith came tumbling down because they were taught it’s all true, it’s all God’s Word and if you find one part that’s not true [then] uh-oh the whole thing comes tumbling down.

    “[But] not Christianity. The Bible did not create Christianity,” Stanley adds. “The resurrection of Jesus created Christianity and launched Christianity. Your whole house of Old Testament cards can come tumbling down [but] the question is: Did Jesus rise from the dead? And the eyewitnesses said He did. I know that’s a little disturbing for some of us. I know for many of you, this is liberating. As one close friend of mine said who was in her 60s, she said, ‘I finally understand.’”

    Ham played additional clips of Stanley’s sermons on Answer News.

    More than 500 people on Ham’s social media accounts discussed his charge.

    “[Stanley] doesn't know the person he claims to believe in,” Ian Davidson wrote on Facebook. “Jesus said … ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’"

    Others, though, said Ham had crossed the line.

    “Very disheartening to see further division,” Chad Loflin (@Chad Loflin) wrote on Twitter. “@AndyStanley is simply reaching to the skeptics of certain areas of biblical teaching. Our hope is in the resurrection as established by OT, but the New Covenant can stand alone! Make a difference instead of making a point.”

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    So many feel the need to dismiss aspects of the Bible in order to 'defend' God. This is altering truth...it's one thing to EXPLAIN WHY, for instance, God told Saul to kill ALL the Amalekites...A very different thing to say the Bible is not absolute Truth.
    The ONLY reason one would do that is either they have not gained it's revelation themselves OR they believe one comes to salvation through human reasoning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Maybe I should get the context and the whole story before commenting on another brother. Dr. Brown's interview with Pastor Andy Stanley was very eye opening. I apologize for making such a quick judgment before even knowing all the facts.
    True...in context his message could be pointing to Bible worship...where our interpretations of what it says is an ideology hill we would die on if someone actually proved our interpretation is wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Making a vow and not follow through is a serious sin but committing human sacrifice is a far worse sin so God would not expect Jephthah to sacrifice a human
    It is better not to make a vow than to make one and not keep it....He who swears to his own hurt and changes not...

    But have we not seen numerous times in the OT where people acted as if they were obeying God when in fact their actions were presumption and sometimes even driven by their cultural upbringing? As we know, not all actions done in the name of the LORD wer His direct instruction...such as Lot's daughters...people often did what seemed right in their own eyes..

    As for mourning not marrying rather than physical death, in the OT the most sorrowful thing for a woman was not to marry and have children...so I DO NOT feel strong compulsion toward her point of grieving as evidence of that...


    Secondly does altering the response to a vow actual mean we did not keep it...


    Since the Bible is silent and he said 'burnt offering' I choose not to assume the outcome....either way.

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