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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    Cardinal TT,
    re: "Did you once believe in God or embrace the Christian faith in the past..."

    Yes. But that's an issue for a different topic.
    I think that's the feeling we all got, that you are coming from somewhere. Necessarily by background since you are currently a non-believer, and that's a little bit easier to relate to.

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    Colonel,
    re: "I think that's the feeling we all got, that you are coming from somewhere. Necessarily by background since you are currently a non-believer, and that's a little bit easier to relate to. "

    I'm not sure how being able to relate to a non-believer impacts on being able to provide examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.

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    You're not paying us to reply to your questions, that is completely voluntary.

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    Topic or not, the subject of greatest importance and certainly not off topic is your believing in the Resurrection of Christ.


    "..that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Ro 10:9-10)

    Strats, you are straining gnats. The best part of your question is the Resurrection.

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    FireBrand,
    re: "Topic or not..."

    It's not.



    re: "...the subject of greatest importance and certainly not off topic is your believing in the Resurrection of Christ."

    It couldn't be more off topic.



    re: "Strats, you are straining gnats."

    If by "Strats" you mean "rstrats", how is asking about the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur be characterized as straining at gnats?

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    This is from David Guzik's study guide for Matthew 12 :

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/comm...mat/mat_12.cfm

    i. Because Jesus here refers to three days and three nights, some think that Jesus had to spend at least 72 hours in the grave. This upsets most chronologies of the death and resurrection of Jesus, and is unnecessary - because it doesn't take into account the use of ancient figures of speech. Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah (around the year A.D. 100; cited in Clarke and other sources) explained this way of speaking when he wrote: "A day and a night make a whole day, and a portion of a whole day is reckoned as a whole day." This demonstrates how in Jesus' day, the phrase three days and three nights did not necessarily mean a full 72-hour period, but a period including at least the portions of three days and three nights. There may be other good reasons for challenging the traditional chronology of Jesus' death and resurrection, but it is not necessary in order to fulfill the words of Jesus here.

    Notice that the Rabbi who's explaining the use of the Jewish idiom lived in around 100 AD, just decades after Jesus.

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    Colonel,
    re: "This demonstrates how in Jesus' day, the phrase three days and three nights did not necessarily mean a full 72-hour period, but a period including at least the portions of three days and three nights."

    But a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection does not allow for even a portion of a 3rd night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    Colonel,
    re: "This demonstrates how in Jesus' day, the phrase three days and three nights did not necessarily mean a full 72-hour period, but a period including at least the portions of three days and three nights."

    But a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection does not allow for even a portion of a 3rd night.
    "A day and a night make a whole day, and a portion of a whole day is reckoned as a whole day."

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    Colonel,
    re: ""A day and a night make a whole day, and a portion of a whole day is reckoned as a whole day."

    Agree. What is your point with regard to this topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    Colonel,
    re: "I think that's the feeling we all got, that you are coming from somewhere. Necessarily by background since you are currently a non-believer, and that's a little bit easier to relate to. "

    I'm not sure how being able to relate to a non-believer impacts on being able to provide examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
    This would be the core of why I questioned you. It feels like you already have the answer that you think is correct, and so you're waiting for people to fall into your trap, so you can snap them with the "Jesus isn't really a deity" rubber band. I would make the assumption that Colonel asked you if you're a believer for the same reason. Entrapment is not a fruit of the spirit.

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