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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Pretty much every argument you have made here is speculative . From dismissing Samuels Injunction as mere suggestion to speculating that the Exemption of Isrealites from forced labor was a nuanced thing .Here you are in your own words

    @@@Now you're just arguing. Generalizing from Samuel's negative statement about their king taxing them heavily to support his own extravagant lifestyle to where that means that all taxation is evil is speculation. Failing to make that generalization is not speculation - only in your mind where you compare everything to your own preferred view as "the truth".

    The only person being political here is YOU.And you have no problem interjecting speculative conjecture when convenient as evidenced above .

    @@@This is ridiculous.

    Even in your own post above you SPECULATE that the census was done for cultural reasons . But yet pretty much every OT scholar agrees that the Census was likely a prelude to taxation.

    @@@Please prove that : "every OT scholar". Especially considering that I proved earlier that taxation of Israelites in general was in place already during the battle against Goliath, before David became king. How would this census institute a taxation when there was already taxation ?

    For the record I personally dont do politics . What I do is Kingdom. So I have no political agenda to push beyond what the bible says .

    @@@Your interpretations of the Bible and especially the OT are steeped in your political views.

    PS: Between personal income taxes and VAT among other taxes you guys in Norway are shelling close to 70% in taxes to your Government despite being Oil rich but yet you see that as a blessing? I am not even sure Pharaoh asked for that much from the Children of Israel

    But hey it's "efficient" isn't it even when the price to pay is increased secularism. But then again there were plenty of IsraeliteS who thought going back to Egypt was a good deal. I guess they also saw Egypt as efficient.

    Likewise Eve saw the fruit as Good to the eye . Point being that that which ultimately kills you will always have enough good in it to make it attractive

    @@@I haven't made any statements for or against Norwegian taxation. Like I said earlier, I'm not interested in having a political discussion with you.
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    But yet pretty much every OT scholar agrees that the Census was likely a prelude to taxation.
    I agree with them. I also believe he wanted to know how many men there were to add to his already large army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    I agree with them. I also believe he wanted to know how many men there were to add to his already large army.
    What is funny about this is that they had a large census during the desert years, in Numbers 1 :

    Numbers 1:1 Now the Lord spoke to Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying: 2 “Take a census of all the congregation of the children of Israel, by their families, by their fathers’ houses, according to the number of names, every male individually, 3 from twenty years old and above—all who are able to go to war in Israel. You and Aaron shall number them by their armies. 4 And with you there shall be a man from every tribe, each one the head of his father’s house.

    The difference could be that God had commanded it and the other census was David's own idea and therefore that one somehow "brought guilt on all Israel".

    Some scholars (not all) disbelieve that the above ever happened and they also disbelieve the story about Goliath so in their secular mind taxation began with king David and was preluded by a census. In their minds the details of that story aren't accurate, rather they represent a general dislike in the population for the taxes imposed. A Bible believer however takes the older accounts and also the details seriously and might come to different conclusions based on the information available.
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    What is funny about this is that they had a large census during the desert years, in Numbers 1 :

    Numbers 1:1 Now the Lord spoke to Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying: 2 "Take a census of all the congregation of the children of Israel, by their families, by their fathers' houses, according to the number of names, every male individually, 3 from twenty years old and aboveā€”all who are able to go to war in Israel. You and Aaron shall number them by their armies. 4 And with you there shall be a man from every tribe, each one the head of his father's house.

    The difference could be that God had commanded it and the other census was David's own idea and therefore that one somehow "brought guilt on all Israel".

    Some scholars (not all) disbelieve that the above ever happened and they also disbelieve the story about Goliath so in their secular mind taxation began with king David and was preluded by a census. In their minds the details of that story aren't accurate, rather they represent a general dislike in the population for the taxes imposed. A Bible believer however takes the older accounts and also the details seriously and might come to different conclusions based on the information available.
    Not really sure what the Underlined above is supposed to mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Not really sure what the Underlined above is supposed to mean
    The idea that the census story is really about taxation being instituted from that time and on fits the non-theistic, non-literal approach to the Bible where the exodus account is purely a myth + the fight against Goliath probably didn't happen and certainly not with the details found in the Bible + king David's census probably happened but the details are mythical or allegorical.

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    The idea that the census story is really about taxation being instituted from that time and on fits the non-theistic, non-literal approach to the Bible where the exodus account is purely a myth + the fight against Goliath probably didn't happen and certainly not with the details found in the Bible + king David's census probably happened but the details are mythical or allegorical.
    I really just wish you would stay on point . Discussions with you often end up many miles from where they started

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    I really just wish you would stay on point . Discussions with you often end up many miles from where they started
    BAP, you were the one who started talking about debt in post #35 then about taxation in post #53. The topic up until then was prosperity.

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    BAP, you were the one who started talking about debt in post #35 then about taxation in post #53. The topic up until then was prosperity.
    All those are subtopics on prosperity

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    Well excuse me for actually studying this out as we go instead of posting three prooftexts plus something about the magnificence of Norwegian politics (yeah right).

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