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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    How about you tell us more about stuff that is going on in modern Christianity that you're happy about ? What would that be ?
    I'll keep it brief, so as to not hijack the thread (which is about Trump, and I don't want to derail the OP's intent):

    1. Christianity is expanding rapidly in China. That's great. Since China is likely to overtake America as the world's No. 1 nation at some point, it is critically vital that Christianity grow as much within China as possible. You always want the world's leading nation to be Christian.

    2. I think there is starting to be some growing recognition within the American church that God doesn't, or shouldn't, belong to a particular political party - that God isn't a Republican or Democrat. Sadly, there are some liberal or conservative believers who have simply become all the more hardened and politically entrenched, and would almost sooner follow Pelosi or Trump than follow Jesus. But I think there is growing recognition that putting Jesus into a particular party is a dangerous fallacy.

    3. There is growing recognition (by some) of the danger of fake news, conspiracies like Qanon, and how believers should examine things carefully and not swallow it without questioning.

    4. I think more and more believers are finally recognizing that Christian persecution within America is a very real thing indeed, not some imaginary myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    Sadly, there are some liberal or conservative believers who have simply become all the more hardened and politically entrenched, and would almost sooner follow Pelosi or Trump than follow Jesus.
    It seems to me that American Christians have heroized and romanticized a number of American presidents throughout time. Ronald Reagan previously and now Donald Trump. Some of the romantic images depicting Donald Trump posted on this forum earlier (paintings for instance) have seemed sickly sweet to me. But I don't think that the other side has been any better, they did (and I think still do) the exact same with Barack Obama. At an early point in his presidency it seemed as if their tune spilled over to Norwegian leaders and media and they were playing it themselves without having much understanding of the actual tune. The one side seems to embrace a version of the other side's hero that is as stripped of romanticism as possible. I'm concerned that "Donald J. Trump the romanticized hero" will keep being revered for years to come in the case that people feel that the election was stolen from him. I could list probably a hundred verses from the Bible that tell the story of what I think of it but this one should do :

    Isa 2:22 Take no account of man, whose breath of life is in his nostrils;
    For why should he be esteemed?

    Which ends a chapter where God is exalted and everything else is humbled before him.

    The romanticized heroizing of American presidents is one thing. How some other characters are romanticized and heroized some times seems worse, whether it's hollywood actors, media personalities or politicians. How people are able to turn Maxine Waters into some kind of hero is almost more than I can comprehend. All I've ever seen her do is spew venom. But I suppose that people see some kind of quality there that trumps everything else.

    But to address something good that you mentioned and also the OP in this thread.

    If, and at this point I have to say if, Donald Trump is not reelected and all those political prophets are shown to have failed miserably in their narratives, then I hope that some good will come out of it and that the various prophetic voices will shed most of the politics and start prophesying with clarity based on what God is actually speaking, and He doesn't romanticize anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post

    3. There is growing recognition (by some) of the danger of fake news, conspiracies like Qanon, and how believers should examine things carefully and not swallow it without questioning.

    I'll just address this one for now... Fake News = MSM, without a shadow of a doubt. If you're watching the news on TV you're getting fed every conceivable lie about Trump and the election that they can come up with. That's why Trump, almost immediately after he won the first election, started to call out the media and why he continues to Tweet. To bypass MSM.

    Q is a REAL military operation. I believe QAnon refers to the people who follow Q. The Q operation has been traced back to at least Lincoln, from some of the reports I've watched. JFK was part of Q. Q is the group of generals and other high ranking officers in the military who approached Donald J Trump to run for presidency. Q is very, very real, not one person, but a Military operation to rid the world, not just the US, but to rid the world of the deep state, corrupt banking system, and most of all, those who have been trafficking and abusing children. #SaveOurChildren Have you seen that hashtag anywhere in the last few months?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    I'll keep it brief, so as to not hijack the thread (which is about Trump, and I don't want to derail the OP's intent):

    1. Christianity is expanding rapidly in China. That's great. Since China is likely to overtake America as the world's No. 1 nation at some point, it is critically vital that Christianity grow as much within China as possible. You always want the world's leading nation to be Christian.

    2. I think there is starting to be some growing recognition within the American church that God doesn't, or shouldn't, belong to a particular political party - that God isn't a Republican or Democrat. Sadly, there are some liberal or conservative believers who have simply become all the more hardened and politically entrenched, and would almost sooner follow Pelosi or Trump than follow Jesus. But I think there is growing recognition that putting Jesus into a particular party is a dangerous fallacy.

    3. There is growing recognition (by some) of the danger of fake news, conspiracies like Qanon, and how believers should examine things carefully and not swallow it without questioning.

    4. I think more and more believers are finally recognizing that Christian persecution within America is a very real thing indeed, not some imaginary myth.
    So, you're basically a Leftist posing as a concerned Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    So, you're basically a Leftist posing as a concerned Christian.
    Pretty much my observation as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    So, you're basically a Leftist posing as a concerned Christian.
    If a pro-life, anti-LGBT, anti-feminist, anti-political-correctness, pro-free-religion, anti-Communist voter like me is a leftist, I have no idea what your definition of leftism is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    If a pro-life, anti-LGBT, anti-feminist, anti-political-correctness, pro-free-religion, anti-Communist voter like me is a leftist, I have no idea what your definition of leftism is.
    You did vote for Evan McMullin whose only intention in running for Prez was to get Hillary elected. A total Leftist campaign disguised as "conservative".

    Did you work for his campaign as well?

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    So, you're basically a Leftist posing as a concerned Christian.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firebrand
    Pretty much my observation as well.
    MercyandFaith, first of all I would like to say your posts (the ones I've read so far) are A BREATH OF FRESH AIR in the midst of the TRUMPIAN echo-chamber this forum has become, of which I've been a member for a number of years. It is indeed sad so see so many are buying into and swallowing whole the falsehood that Trump somehow has a snowball's chance in Hades of overturning the election. If he has to resort to chicanery and lying to his ever-loving cult memb...er..loyal base to keep his name in the news and whip his followers into some sort of coup (just like the authoritarian dictators he admires so much), he is no better than those that he claims "stole" the election from him.

    I for one will be so glad when his time is up. He will get his sorry behind out of the WH Jan. 20th, 2021 even if he has to be dragged out. And I pray to GOD we as nation will NEVER NEVER NEVER see the likes of him as president again.

    (and this is coming from a fellow CHRISTIAN whose Christianity has also been questioned, because I don't co-sign with the uber- religious conservative current zeitgeist around here. One that doesn't promote and spread unfounded CONSPIRIACY THEORIES coming from HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE "alt'right" sources. Sad, sad, sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    MercyandFaith, first of all I would like to say your posts (the ones I've read so far) are A BREATH OF FRESH AIR in the midst of the TRUMPIAN echo-chamber this forum has become, of which I've been a member for a number of years. It is indeed sad so see so many are buying into and swallowing whole the falsehood that Trump somehow has a snowball's chance in Hades of overturning the election. If he has to resort to chicanery and lying to his ever-loving cult memb...er..loyal base to keep his name in the news and whip his followers into some sort of coup (just like the authoritarian dictators he admires so much), he is no better than those that he claims "stole" the election from him.

    I for one will be so glad when his time is up. He will get his sorry behind out of the WH Jan. 20th, 2021 even if he has to be dragged out. And I pray to GOD we as nation will NEVER NEVER NEVER see the likes of him as president again.

    (and this is coming from a fellow CHRISTIAN whose Christianity has also been questioned, because I don't co-sign with the uber- religious conservative current zeitgeist around here. One that doesn't promote and spread unfounded CONSPIRIACY THEORIES coming from HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE "alt'right" sources. Sad, sad, sad.
    ETA: Why has there been a number of CONSERVATIVE leaders (albeit none serving currently in the Trump WH) calling for him to concede and accept the results of the election? Because they know that this country is greater than one man and FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY (or so Trump as said ) we need to move on. The election is OVER. Like the trump-etts said four years ago, GET OVER IT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    ETA: Why has there been a number of CONSERVATIVE leaders (albeit none serving currently in the Trump WH) calling for him to concede and accept the results of the election? Because they know that this country is greater than one man and FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY (or so Trump as said ) we need to move on. The election is OVER. Like the trump-etts said four years ago, GET OVER IT.
    Although those conservatives more than likely will never agree with Biden on a lot of things, at least there will be more of a civility between the two sides, and hopefully more cooperation. I have nothing against conservatives...it's just the cult-like mentality of some.

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