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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    I have attended such meetings where believers were not only encouraged, but often compelled to "prophesy." "Everyone is supposed to prophesy," it was declared, and so everyone in the room was put on the spot to "prophesy" whether or not there was any unction upon them by the Holy Spirit to do so.
    So have I. I sat next to a guy I'd paid for because I felt that God wanted him to attend but he couldn't afford to.

    At "prophesy" time I didn't have much for him, and he was afraid to say what he had because it sounded like it involved death. Anyway he finally said what he "had", and I believe it was fulfilled perhaps a decade later when I was in a different place than normal because I believed God had directed me there.
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    Jefferson K. Thompson

    Apostle Joanne Bush has been a precious and trusted friend and a prophetic voice into my life for many years now. However, when I first met her I didn't like her. Understand that it had absolutely nothing to do with her, and everything to do with me.
    Part of the Grace upon my life involves "seeing" or "perceiving" ministry giftings on the lives of others. It has worked in me for decades, but now I finally understand more fully and have embraced more readily exactly why God shows me those things.
    The first time I met Apostle Bush I "saw" the prophet's anointing strongly upon her. And because of baggage and wrong attitudes from my past that I still carried at the time, I did not LIKE women prophets. When I "saw" the prophet's mantle upon Apostle Bush, I made up my mind that I was not going to like her. As "Dad" Tisdale, Apostle Bush, and I prayed together, Sis. Bush had a word from the Lord for me. And to top it all off, I did not "like" the word she had from the Lord. It did not fit my preconceptions regarding the direction I wanted the ministry to go. Part of the word involved the Lord leading me through a "season of silence" before releasing me with a new voice (something close to that). I did not "like" or "want" a "season of silence" and misinterpreted the word through my failure to be open to what God was saying.
    There's a principle: When we reject a word from the Lord, we cloud our ability to properly understand, interpret, or apply it. Apostle Bush was NOT prophesying that I should "shut the ministry down," or that I would be "doing nothing" for God for some indeterminate time. Far from it. But that's where I wrongly let my mind run to.
    However, looking back, I see that for over a decade, though I was still preaching and God was meeting all of our needs, I was indeed in a "season of silence." I had not yet discovered my "voice!" Even now, as I am emerging from that season into another season, I only know in part what that "voice" will involve. But I have embraced it, which is probably why I'm emerging from this season. LOL. And I know that I am speaking things now that I had little understanding of all those years ago.
    Today, Apostle Bush and I are dear friends and have been so for many years. She knows this entire story, and has graciously forgiven me for my insensitivity and lack of openness to her and to what God had placed in her. Today, she is a valued prophetic voice in my life.
    I share this story to again encourage you to not reject a prophetic word because it does not fit your preconceptions or your own agendas. Don't reject a prophetic word because some "baggage" you still carry from the past causes you to not "like" something about the "messenger." The word delivered by Apostle Bush was indeed accurate, and I am living out it's fulfillment now in a new dimension! Be Blessed!
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  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Jefferson K. Thompson

    ...
    Part of the Grace upon my life involves "seeing" or "perceiving" ministry giftings on the lives of others. ...

    The first time I met Apostle Bush I "saw" the prophet's anointing strongly upon her. ... When I "saw" the prophet's mantle upon Apostle Bush,
    Sorry, but I'm going to ask a similar question to last time to which I got the response

    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Anything more said to you concerning Spiritual Gifts would be like casting pearls before swine. You really don't want to know anything for you seem to know it all. Go look up someone from your own reformed camp and debate them.
    Some of us have this strange idea that if you're going to do or say something Biblical you need to be able to support it from the Bible.

    Some of us are unfortunately aware of what some "spiritualists" claim to be able to do and one of them is see "auras". What Jefferson K. Thompson claims to be doing sounds similar.

    There are lots of possible questions, but we'll try a simple one.

    Because I DON'T know it all, and because I DO want to know stuff, and so that I WILL know it, I'm asking where in the Bible can we find solid support for someone claiming that they can "see" ministry gifts in other people?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Sorry, but I'm going to ask a similar question to last time to which I got the response



    Some of us have this strange idea that if you're going to do or say something Biblical you need to be able to support it from the Bible.

    Some of us are unfortunately aware of what some "spiritualists" claim to be able to do and one of them is see "auras". What Jefferson K. Thompson claims to be doing sounds similar.

    There are lots of possible questions, but we'll try a simple one.

    Because I DON'T know it all, and because I DO want to know stuff, and so that I WILL know it, I'm asking where in the Bible can we find solid support for someone claiming that they can "see" ministry gifts in other people?

    Thanks in advance.

    FFO.
    If you are really interested in the operation of Spiritual Gifts you should peruse some good classics by Pentecostal leaders Otherwise I would have to mark you as an agitator who is blowing smoke and really does not want to learn anything. Here is a suggested list.Prophetic ministry-howard-carter-jpegProphetic ministry-1604927-jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    If you are really interested in the operation of Spiritual Gifts you should peruse some good classics by Pentecostal leaders Otherwise I would have to mark you as an agitator who is blowing smoke and really does not want to learn anything. Here is a suggested list.
    I may have a look later to see if they're available on Kindle. Need to research the authors first. Not that this is about spiritual gifts per. se., but about things you've said Jefferson K. Thompson said, things he would be claiming to be Biblically valid.

    Anyway, did you really say that? Do you really consider someone who simply asks for Scriptural support for something you're putting forward as Biblical as being "an agitator who is blowing smoke and really does not want to learn anything"?
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    Interesting sequence of events this morning.


    • Logged on to register for Church next Sunday;
    • Had a quick look at LFF and responded as above at 10.05am local time;
    • Had a quick look at FB and what I report here came at 10.06am local time.


    This came from someone I haven't seen or spoken to for decades but was in my Youth Group. He operated in the areas of teaching and the prophetic. I obviously have no idea what he does now. But here's what he said,

    The utter embarrassment of the evangelical televangelist culture in the US seems to me to be finally being exposed for what it really is - a narcississic, ego driven, self appointed, money hungry culture full of self appointed so-called prophets and faith healers.

    One of the very few and perhaps one of the only truly genuine 'prophets' in America was A W Tozer. He made the very insightful comment that if there is something going on in the church that is bothering you then there is a very simple test that you should apply which will expose whether it is a truly genuine thing or not. You simply ask yourself the question: "Can I see the apostles or even Jesus for that matter carrying on like this in the New Testament? If it is out of character with the character of the New Testament apostles and Jesus and the way in which they went about doing things then you should reject whatever it is that doesn't match up with the integrity of the character of the New Testament. We need to be ruthlessly honest about this however and stop trying to defend that which is indefensible.
    Here is the post linked to this video at two starting points. The first starts at a point where KC is speaking. The second is PW, that bit goes for 2 mins. Please watch them and then say "I can see the apostles/ Jesus carrying on like this in the New Testament". If you can't then repent, because I suspect that it's finally time for the Church to feel the wrath of God for what we have done.


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  9. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
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    So I found a sample of this book here (Link to PDF) and it contains the first chapter (18 pages, pages 17-35) on "THE GIFT OF THE WORD OF WISDOM".

    There is a lot written, around 4,000 words, though this is one thing I found:


    • Page 17: Of the nine gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12, three are gifts of revelation;
    • Page 24: we can turn to the commencement of Genesis, and find that interesting character Enoch mentioned in chapter 4 who is stated in the Epistle of Jude to be a prophet speaking of the Lord coming to execute judgment upon all the ungodly;
    • Page 31: Is that the explanation of 1 Corinthians 14, verse 3 — "He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort?"


    So, a lot of stuff said, but not a lot of references to specific scriptures to back it up. Admittedly there are numerous Biblical incidents mentioned that are used by the author to give examples of what he is talking about, but as "narrative is not normative" where is the Bible teaching on the subject?
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    Sorry to flood this thread but I am just finishing off a book relating to Charles Spurgeon (1834-1892) and Robert Shindler (not sure) and in it I read "Tracing the state of evangelicalism from the Puritan age to his own era, Shindler noted that every revival of true evangelical faith had been followed within a generation or two by a drift away from sound doctrine, ultimately leading to a wholesale apostasy".

    We had the Billy Graham revival in the 50's and the Jesus movement in the 60's and 70's. That was a generation ago. What should the Church be looking out for?


    And, from the same book, this seems to marry with my continual requests for Scriptural support for what's said. "The clear implication to both Spurgeon and Shindler was that a high view of Scripture goes hand in hand with a high view of divine sovereignty".
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I may have a look later to see if they're available on Kindle. Need to research the authors first. Not that this is about spiritual gifts per. se., but about things you've said Jefferson K. Thompson said, things he would be claiming to be Biblically valid.

    Anyway, did you really say that? Do you really consider someone who simply asks for Scriptural support for something you're putting forward as Biblical as being "an agitator who is blowing smoke and really does not want to learn anything"?
    Have you ever operated in the nine gifts of the Spirit yourself ? I have operated in all nine, eight of them have been involved in healing processes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Have you ever operated in the nine gifts of the Spirit yourself ? I have operated in all nine, eight of them have been involved in healing processes.
    I will answer that cautiously by saying only in the prophetic as far as I'm aware. My ministry is in "helps" rather than one of the nine.
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