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    The Effort To Remove God's Holy Justice

    Grace and peace to you in the Holy Spirit from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    This afternoon, I sat here and read more through the Scriptures, the KJV Bible. I ventured into Proverbs 26, and as I read, I began to simply do a comparison between the KJV and some modern translations, even those who claim to be "more accurate" than the preserved KJV. What I found, especially about verse 10, simply made me lose ALL confidence in trusting my soul to almost anything other than what is preserved in the KJV Bible. Allow me to show you.

    The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors. Proverbs 26:10 (KJV)
     Like an archer who wounds everyone, So is he who hires a fool or who hires those who pass by. Proverbs 26:10 (NASB)
    Like an archer who wounds everyone is one who hires a passing fool or drunkard. Proverbs 26:10 (ESV)
    An employer who hires a fool or a bystander is like an archer who shoots at random. Proverbs 26:10 (NLT)
    I have time and again put my trust, not in that which men have invented and changed, but in the inspired and preserved KJV Bible. This simply added more fuel to the fire. But, the question would come forth as to why these modern versions would absolutely change this one verse of the Scripture. Then I began to contemplate what all I had seen being presented as truth online:

    • The denial of a literal Hell
    • The denial of a literal devil
    • The denial of the judgment of God
    • The changing of God's nature to more of Santa than YHWH
    • The elimination of any mention of repentance
    • The changing of the meaning of the word repentance to simply changing a mind instead of turning from sin.


    All of these and more keep pointing to one serious situation in modern Christianity, and that is a total denial of God's justice. It is an assault against His divine justice, His holiness, His wrath against sin, and His call to truly repent of sin. It is an affront against the very truth of the depravity of sin, and the wickedness of men, and how God will deal with all those who reject His grace and mercy. It is an attack against the call to repent of sins, or face what He has already judged and sentenced.

    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18 (KJV)
    He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 (KJV)
    This is ongoing in much of social media Christianity. They want people to be more accepting of Jesus, but not the whole Jesus. They want to make Jesus popular, but not the Bible Jesus. They do so by making sin accepted and excused, and eliminate from their spiritual vocabulary such words as repent, as justice, and as judgment. They make Jesus a simple "Get out of Hell free" card, and instead of heeding the call to holiness, give the lost shock absorbers on their trip to condemnation and damnation. And as such, we have goats masked as sheep, instead of sheep and goats being converted.

    One of the biggest lies these modern false preachers teach is that God is not mad at anyone, and that He no longer has judgment. What they fail to mention is that while God does love the world, our sins have separated us from Him. His anger is not for the believer, but His wrath abides on those who are not believers, those who refuse to repent. Need proof?

    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18 (KJV)
    There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:1 (KJV)
    Folks, if you have bought these lies, repent and turn back to God. I encourage you to rid your life (not just your houses or cars, but the entirety of your spiritual being) of these false modern versions of the Bible. Come back to the Way, the Bible way, the Way of Holiness. Come out, be separated unto God, and He will receive you.

    Shalom and Maranatha.

    Grace, Shalom, and Maranatha in Jesus name.
    William M. (Bill) Price

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    Actually brother, the original language does not line up with the KJV version of Proverbs 26:10---

    Search for: Proverbs 26:10 - Strong's Interlinear Bible Search - Reference Desk - StudyLight.org


    From what I have observed over the years, most who get caught up in the KJV only crowd, end up bitter, angry and filled with an air of superiority over those who don't.

    The Word of God has been translated into many different languages for many different peoples.

    Would you expect an African tribe in the middle of nowhere to understand the KJV, or would they benefit more from a bible translated from the original transcripts into their own language?

    The same goes for us today. We don't talk like William Shakespeare today. That is a foreign language to us. We speak modern English. Why would we want a bible that is translated into a foreign language instead of one in our own language? Think about it bro. Don't hop on the KJV only train!



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    Morning bro. Thankl you for both your response and concern.

    You're right about the attitude of many who hold to the KJVO stance. But, allow me to go into my own experience.

    I have been broken so many times it is not funny. I was wounded beyond notion and am still going through. I underwent burnout and pain like none other. So, in my brokenness, I sought the Lord. I have so many Bible versions here and on my tablet/PC/phone it is not funny. So, I had began reading the different versions, and the Holy Ghost got a hold of me, and reminded me of, as I state it in my Texas vernacular (Wow! I did graduate high school after all) what brought me to the dance to begin with. I found online a study Bible I lost years ago in a car accident, and it was a KJV. I began reading the KJV again, and started seeing God work on me through the pages of that old trusted book. It is not with a thought of superiority or arrogance that I write as I do, or am KJVO as I am. I have tried to go back to the modern versions, and when I did, I found my spirit grieved like I was sold a counterfeit. This may not be the case with anyone else or everyone else, but it is for me.

    Now, let me address some things you said as well. The translations into different languages, such as for African tribes. This is my response. I believe wholly that the KJV is the preserved Word of God in the English language. When it comes to other languages, if we can translate our English today to speak with those of another language, why can we not do the same in written form? Yes, I may be criticized for this, but... "For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. Acts 4:20 (KJV)"

    As for the Shakespearean English, many modern Bible are written using some of the same difficult words and phrases. But, what I do, and I did this to start out, was read the KJV out loud. I began to make more and more sense. As I said, my own experience.

    Finally, concerning the original language translation argument, this is where I am really controversial about this. We claim that we have found more original manuscripts, more original texts older than the ones used for the 1611 version. I submit that we have in fact found corruptions when they do not state what the transscripts used in the KJV. Why? Think on the issues of the sovereignty of God and His ability to both preserve and transmit His Word to us. Is not God able, or more specifically wasn't He able to give these translations to the men translating the KJV while they were doing His work? If He was not, what in the world makes any Bible reasonably dependable? Also, if the KJV was so wrong, then what does this mean for those who built their lives on what was written? Would this not mean that millions were lost and undone until when? Which translation is most correct, most preserved, most inerrant? The ESV, NASB, MEV, NIV? Which one?

    So, this is my reasoning why I am such as I am. Love you all.

    Grace, Shalom, and Maranatha in Jesus name.
    William M. (Bill) Price

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    Yeah bro, I started my journey with the NKJV and today it is still my "go to" version.

    To me, buying a KJV bible would be no different than buying a German, Polish, Japanese, etc. version of the Word of God. They are not printed in my language.

    If you are comfortable with it, then stick with it.

    There are versions that I don't care for, such as the NIV, and any version that is gender neutral.


    Funny story: years ago, while attending a small Church of God, I had a pastor who always used the KJV. During Wednesday evening bible study or teaching service He would often stop to translate what a word or phrase meant in modern English. I just smiled and said; "That is what it says in my NKJV."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WMBillPrice View Post
    The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors. Proverbs 26:10 (KJV)
     Like an archer who wounds everyone, So is he who hires a fool or who hires those who pass by. Proverbs 26:10 (NASB)
    Like an archer who wounds everyone is one who hires a passing fool or drunkard. Proverbs 26:10 (ESV)
    An employer who hires a fool or a bystander is like an archer who shoots at random. Proverbs 26:10 (NLT)
    This is how biblestudytools renders the Hebrew word Chuwl that the KJV translates as "God" in that verse :

    Definition
    to twist, whirl, dance, writhe, fear, tremble, travail, be in anguish, be pained
    (Qal)
    to dance
    to twist, writhe
    to whirl, whirl about
    (Polel)
    to dance
    to writhe (in travail with), bear, bring forth
    to wait anxiously
    (Pulal)
    to be made to writhe, be made to bear
    to be brought forth
    (Hophal) to be born
    (Hithpolel)
    whirling (participle)
    writhing, suffering torture (participle)
    to wait longingly
    (Hithpalpel) to be distressed

    This is how the KJV translates the word Chuwl :

    pain 6, formed 5, bring forth 4, pained 4, tremble 4, travail 4, dance 2, calve 2, grieved 2, grievous 2, wounded 2, shake 2, miscellaneous 23

    I suppose that its translation of the word as "God" in Prov 26:10 is one of the "miscellaneous".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Why would we want a bible that is translated into a foreign language instead of one in our own language?
    And in there lies a very important word Ezekiel 33, "translated". Too many people read (and sadly teach from) paraphrases because they are easier to read.

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    The KJV is not absolutely correctly translated. And I know modern paraphrases take liberty.

    But my understanding is that, if a person doesn't read Greek and Hebrew, it's best to study out of multiple translations and paraphrases to absorb and get understanding of the fullness of the Word.

    By declaring King James Only, you're disqualifying a multitude of people who simply cannot understand the archaic language it's written in and even the NKJ is too difficult for many. Why would you want to do that?

    The people inspired to translate and paraphrase have made English language Bibles rich and deep.

    Also, by declaring KJO, how do you explain that to people who are finally getting Bibles in their own language? You're going to tell them there are too many mistakes and mistranslated words for it to be the true Word of God? I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.

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    Isa 34:7 KJV And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

    Isa 13:21 KJV But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

    I can't say for sure if there were ever unicorns on the Earth though I don't think there are any fossils to that effect. I'm however totally sure that there were no satyrs roaming around the countryside at the time of the prophet Isaiah.

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    And as an afterthought, what makes modern English language translations of the Bible any less accurate than the translations currently being done for people who have never had a translation before. Just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    The KJV is not absolutely correctly translated. And I know modern paraphrases take liberty.

    But my understanding is that, if a person doesn't read Greek and Hebrew, it's best to study out of multiple translations and paraphrases to absorb and get understanding of the fullness of the Word.

    By declaring King James Only, you're disqualifying a multitude of people who simply cannot understand the archaic language it's written in and even the NKJ is too difficult for many. Why would you want to do that?

    The people inspired to translate and paraphrase have made English language Bibles rich and deep.

    Also, by declaring KJO, how do you explain that to people who are finally getting Bibles in their own language? You're going to tell them there are too many mistakes and mistranslated words for it to be the true Word of God? I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.
    I'll get to the last point first. When I say KJVO, I am saying that the KJV is the preserved Word of God in English translation. I am not a judge against other translations, but again, my personal preference and belief.

    Also, let me ask not just you but others this one question. Why is it that when someone claims to be kJVO, all of a sudden, it is everyone's job to show that person how God was NOT able to preserve His Word translated? I mean, people like James White have a hatred for the KJV so badly that he actually has to attack the KJV. I know this is not the case with so many people, but why is it that people automatically have to state that the KJV is actually the worst translation? I'll stand with what I know.

    As for the common KJV is too hard to understand, I am not saying anything but this. I understood the KJV from age 12 originally. So, if that was the case, then to me at least, that argument has no merit.

    As for your first statement. Show me a version of the Bible perfectly preserved, but so hated like the KJV? I am being honest, because I said what I said as part of what God has done for me, and encourage others to go this same path, and all of a sudden the KJV is openly attacked. Why? I am not being hateful, but I stand where I stand.

    Finally, as for the other translations being so rich and deep. I disagree. As I have said on other social media platforms, other translations, even paraphrases are not as rich and deep. Some remove entire verses, cast doubt on both the sovereignty of God and His ability to preserve His Word, and in many cases distort truth all together. This is from my own study. I consider it to be a personal opinion to state the other modern translations as being just as rich and deep. In fact, I find many shallow. And I have read several through in mine own life.

    Now, let me stop and state this for the record. I said what i said as a testimony of how God used the KJV with me. We overcome by the Blood of the Lamb, and the Word of our testimony (Rev. 12:11). I disagree with other translations but I am not coming on here to share but for this one reason, to help people receive as I have. And, I pray and hope that what I am saying is reflective of the humility and love I feel right now even as I type these words. I believe the KJV to be God preserved Word translated rightly, and has endured as such despite the attempts of men to do so different by doing violence to such. I pray that I have spoken such in grace.

    Grace, Shalom, and Maranatha in Jesus name.
    William M. (Bill) Price

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