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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm quite sure that that doesn't apply to Wigglesworth but it certainly applied to Evan Roberts of the Welsh revival in 1904. Maybe the roles that Evan Roberts and many of the American revivalists were molded into affected them negatively. Being leading figures to a too large degree they typically became overworked and were too much sought after and relied upon. They became celebrities but without the cool distance that most celebrities are able to apply to their surroundings.

    I really wish some mature elders had got hold of Evan Roberts to disciple him.
    Evan was only 26 and had a revival that shook a nation ....the visitation of God was phenomenol.

    He was young and vulnerable and didn't understand the attacks he would get after the revival and he submitted himself to a older lady who manipulated him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I really wish some mature elders had got hold of Evan Roberts to disciple him.
    Evan was only 26 and had a revival that shook a nation ....the visitation of God was phenomenol.

    He was young and vulnerable and didn't understand the attacks he would get after the revival and he submitted himself to a older lady who manipulated him.
    The whole revival mentality that was involved seems very emotional. People were very into it in a community sense, they changed their behavior to a religious degree and it didn't last very long. As we say in Norway "up as a lion, down as a rug". Then Evan Roberts, who was severely overworked, was taken into the care of an older lady who kept him out of it and things dwindled quickly. I'm not so sure that it would have lasted even if Evan Roberts had been able to keep going or if other leaders had been able to replace the celebrity figure. The emotional embellishment on what God was actually doing was bound to fade and then the question is what is left in its wake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The whole revival mentality that was involved seems very emotional. .
    I don't think you are getting reliable information. It was a genuine revival.
    Emotionalism will always be part of a move of God as long as it stays in its proper balance it will work out

    Two powerful evangelist brothers got saved Stephen and George Jefffreys who lead many to Christ and saw powerful healings.
    George Jeffreys laid hands on Reinhard Bonnke as a young man imparting a blessing which impacted his life before he went to Africa.

    The Welsh revival bore much fruit for decades in many places. There are people serving God in Australia and other nations whose families came from Wales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I don't think you are getting reliable information. It was a genuine revival.
    Emotionalism will always be part of a move of God as long as it stays in its proper balance it will work out

    Two powerful evangelist brothers got saved Stephen and George Jefffreys who lead many to Christ and saw powerful healings.
    George Jeffreys laid hands on Reinhard Bonnke as a young man imparting a blessing which impacted his life before he went to Africa.

    The Welsh revival bore much fruit for decades in many places. There are people serving God in Australia and other nations whose families came from Wales.
    I did not say that the revival wasn't genuine, only that the mentality that they had about it was very emotional. The move of God was genuine but there were emotional embellishments. Emotional embellishments have a tendency to prop up and boost things for a while but then as they fade, it backfires. I know I'm being critical but what is the point to this except to try and learn something from it ? I don't believe in being nostalgic for the sake of nostalgia.

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    A interesting true story. As a young believer I read about the revival and of course was very excited how God could touch a whole nation.
    A couple years later I witnessed to a young boy about 12 years of age. He told me his family was originally from Wales and out of curiosity I asked him if he had heard of Evans Robert.
    I knew it was a long shot but hey I was young and full of zeal.

    To my surprise he said to me his parents told him about Evan. The story was that Evan was a very godly man who was so holy that God took him up to heaven and he didn't die.

    Now I spoke to this boy 80 years after the revival and it was interesting how it had become part of their folklore. This boy and his family were not born again believers but nonetheless the impact of the revival had left an imprint on the Welsh people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The move of God was genuine but there were emotional embellishments. .
    Every revival has emotional embellishments

    Have you seen videos of Reinhard Bonnkes revivals in Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Every revival has emotional embellishments

    Have you seen videos of Reinhard Bonnkes revivals in Africa
    Sure but from the book of Acts I see the leading figures having a calming, explanatory effect on the crowds watching as miracles took place etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    A interesting true story. As a young believer I read about the revival and of course was very excited how God could touch a whole nation.
    A couple years later I witnessed to a young boy about 12 years of age. He told me his family was originally from Wales and out of curiosity I asked him if he had heard of Evans Robert.
    I knew it was a long shot but hey I was young and full of zeal.

    To my surprise he said to me his parents told him about Evan. The story was that Evan was a very godly man who was so holy that God took him up to heaven and he didn't die.

    Now I spoke to this boy 80 years after the revival and it was interesting how it had become part of their folklore. This boy and his family were not born again believers but nonetheless the impact of the revival had left an imprint on the Welsh people.
    I think the fact that Evan Roberts left while things were going strong and never preached again may have contributed to the mystification of the man as a celebrity figure. If he had continued to preach while things were fading and into his later years then things would have been different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Sure but from the book of Acts I see the leading figures having a calming, explanatory effect on the crowds watching as miracles took place etc.

    I see something different but according to your faith be it unto you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I see something different but according to your faith be it unto you
    Acts 3:11 Now as the lame man who was healed held on to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them in the porch which is called Solomon's, greatly amazed.
    12 So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: "Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk?

    The Pentecost event itself described in the previous chapter is dealt with similarly.

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