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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    You have to consider the testimony of those who had been to his meetings and had also seen other ministries. Those people saw a difference
    His gift of word of knowledge was so accurate and precise that no one had seen anything like it.
    Other evangelists had miracles but he had a greater success rate in his early years
    So the idea is that he was quite sound in his earlier years then gradually departed towards the end ? That sounds a bit like Martin Luther who ended up an anti-semite and a persecutor of other moves of God.

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    My 2 cents on Branham and Jon Alexander Dowie is that they were mystified and implictly alienated by their followers (in the extended sense) until they were lead into those mystical and heretical roles. Mystification has to do with darkness and alienation per default. I see an entirely different attitude when Carrie Judd Montgomery who was of good standing both inside and outside of Pentecostal circles reported from Maria Woodworth Etter's meetings for the Pentecostal Evangel in around 1915 and described in detail all kinds of wonderful miracles, without adding any element of mystification or alienation at all. She and Etter were simply sisters in arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    So the idea is that he was quite sound in his earlier years then gradually departed towards the end ? .
    Gordon Lindsay testifies he later went off the track but Gordon knew that Branham in his earlier years carried a greater anointing than his contempories
    Gordon was a very experienced Pentecostal so could discern the real from the false and verifies his earlier ministry

    Pride came later for Dowie and Branham and it leads to error and both sadly embraced false teaching

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    So the idea is that he was quite sound in his earlier years then gradually departed towards the end ?
    Quite sound as it relates to oldtime Pentecostals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Quite sound as it relates to oldtime Pentecostals.
    The wikipedia article notes quite interestingly that he shifted his position on the Godhead from Trinitarianism and over towards Oneness during the 1940s-1960s but he himself argued that he wasn't Oneness although he didn't adhere to Trinitarianism either, calling it "tritheism". Which can describe some extreme trinitarians, I've talked to at least one previously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Pride came later for Dowie and Branham and it leads to error and both sadly embraced false teaching
    I remember Hagin when teaching on these things specifically said "Branham fell into the sin of Dowie". They both were deceived in thinking they were someone they weren't. I think Branham thought he was Elijah or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I remember Hagin when teaching on these things specifically said "Branham fell into the sin of Dowie". They both were deceived in thinking they were someone they weren't. I think Branham thought he was Elijah or something like that.
    He did
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Amen. God uses us in spite of our clayfulness. I am a recipient of that lavish grace.
    That's my take as well. The the treasures are in earthen vessels.
    All great men God used had flaws, emotional breakdowns, given to moodiness etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    He taught his people that he was Elijah and the 7th angel in Revelations. It created a cult to this day.
    In fact, when he died, the authorities had to come in a force them to release his body. They were sure he was going to ride from the dead.

    He regretted it at the end before he died and told some pastors he was close to that he had created a mess that he didn't know how to undo.
    Hagin had prophesied something like 'the man that stands in the forefront of the prophet's ministry in America will make a false step and his life will be taken but his spirit will be saved' or something along those lines. That's not exact. Sometime after that he was in a car wreck and died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    That's my take as well. The the treasures are in earthen vessels.
    All great men God used had flaws, emotional breakdowns, given to moodiness etc.
    I'm quite sure that that doesn't apply to Wigglesworth but it certainly applied to Evan Roberts of the Welsh revival in 1904. Maybe the roles that Evan Roberts and many of the American revivalists were molded into affected them negatively. Being leading figures to a too large degree they typically became overworked and were too much sought after and relied upon. They became celebrities but without the cool distance that most celebrities are able to apply to their surroundings.

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