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    Another question : Do you think it's possible to get so works and "avoid sin" oriented that one manages to lose sight of the finished work of Christ and thereby manages to shipwreck faith and now one is no longer born again but rather someone who tries to perfect one's own righteousness ? I personally think it's perfectly possible and my guess is that the ones that will scream higher than anyone else when they are sent to hell will be in that category, having thought to themselves that they must be the most perfect of believers. The 1 in 1000 as Yong Park Gyu puts it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    This is from the same account that you quoted part of from Mat 19 :

    25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
    26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    What does it mean to you that "with men it is impossible to be saved" ?
    Man made religious traditions, church or denominational membership, infant baptism, following the golden rule, conformation, observing church doctrine, to name a few cannot save your soul.
    Man creates religious duties they say if you follow will allow you to enter heaven upon your death. This is futile and I'm sure there are millions in a lost eternity for following man's religious traditions and regulations.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Another question : Do you think it's possible to get so works and "avoid sin" oriented that one manages to lose sight of the finished work of Christ and thereby manages to shipwreck faith and now one is no longer born again but rather someone who tries to perfect one's own righteousness ? I personally think it's perfectly possible and my guess is that the ones that will scream higher than anyone else when they are sent to hell will be in that category, having thought to themselves that they must be the most perfect of believers. The 1 in 1000 as Yong Park Gyu puts it.
    Yes, I agree with you Colonel that it is possible too. As a matter of fact I was involved in such a church many years ago that was heavily involved in street evangelism and absolute involvement with all church activities was a requirement to remain a member of that certain fellowship. It got to the point that if you missed any church events, you were shunned upon by other members and the pastor would question you on "how's your walk with the Lord." It eventually created a feeling of legalism and bondage. I finally left that fellowship after three years of being there. Later on, I would come across people I knew who were still there and they refused to talk to me.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Yes, I agree with you Colonel that it is possible too. As a matter of fact I was involved in such a church many years ago that was heavily involved in street evangelism and absolute involvement with all church activities was a requirement to remain a member of that certain fellowship. It got to the point that if you missed any church events, you were shunned upon by other members and the pastor would question you on "how's your walk with the Lord." It eventually created a feeling of legalism and bondage. I finally left that fellowship after three years of being there. Later on, I would come across people I knew who were still there and they refused to talk to me.
    I suppose you just pointed out some of the ones I mentioned. Maybe they did believe at one time and then they went down the path of the Galatians and sought to perfect righteousness through the flesh instead. That is a sad, sad story. Especially when Jesus's testimony on judgment day that "I no longer know you, why did you quit clinging to my righteousness" is the only thing capable of breaking their pride.

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    Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
    12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’

    The dumbest non-saved man of all is the one who tells God that and in addition that "I believe in the resurrected Christ just like scripture says" and he doesn't really, all he believes in is himself and his own righteousness and correctness, including regarding what he's supposed to believe to make it to heaven. How can he be saved ? He's already got it all, or so he thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I suppose you just pointed out some of the ones I mentioned. Maybe they did believe at one time and then they went down the path of the Galatians and sought to perfect righteousness through the flesh instead. That is a sad, sad story. Especially when Jesus's testimony on judgment day that "I no longer know you, why did you quit clinging to my righteousness" is the only thing capable of breaking their pride.
    Whenever we try to be justified in Gods sight through acts of our own prideful self-righteousness, it leads to a display of the pitiful flesh rearing its ugly head up. It is true that that an unjust persons greatest need is righteousness, and that only comes from God and not from something we do or earn through religious academics or exercises. When God imputes the righteousness of Christ to the believing sinner, its an imputation that is added to us by faith to our account. It is a real imputation supplied by God on the merit of Christ to whom we now belong. There is absolutely no other way for unjust sinners to be justified in Gods sight. God transfers the righteousness of Christ to us by faith. So, justification is an act of God whereby He declares unjust sinners to be just after He has imputed to them the righteousness of Christ.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Did you notice that these are self righteous people ?

    Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
    23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    When I stand before Jesus on judgment day I'm not going to mention a single prophecy, demon that I cast out or wonders worked in his name. Instead I'm going to bend the knee and cling to his feet and thank him that he has saved me, I who am unrighteous in and of myself and according to my own works.

    Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
    17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!
    18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
    19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
    20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
    21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

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    Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hand;

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hand;
    Since the number 10 million is used in Genesis and 100 million in Revelation, I suppose that means a far greater number than that. The 1 out of 1000 most self righteous among us are excepted of course.

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