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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    The focus of 1Cor 14:5 is upon what Paul would've liked; which of course was trumped by the Spirit's will as per 1Cor 12:11 and also 1Cor 12:12-30.

    Paul was a grown man, i.e. I'm pretty sure he was old enough to know that people can't always have their own way; not even when they're big wheels in Christ's body like the apostles were.
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    ... That is the kind of language you've been using to refer to Charismatics throughout your tongues thread so that doesn't surprise me.
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    In my opinion, the Charismatic movement's willful disregard for God's sovereign authority in the selection of individuals for a particular spiritual gift makes the movement just as pagan, just as fraudulent, and just as misleading as Wiccan, Islam, Mormonism, and the Watchtower Society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    In my opinion, the Charismatic movement's willful disregard for God's sovereign authority in the selection of individuals for a particular spiritual gift makes the movement just as pagan, just as fraudulent, and just as misleading as Wiccan, Islam, Mormonism, and the Watchtower Society.

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    Then why are you here? This is primarily a Charismatic forum. No point in you being here since you believe this way.

    Just as a warning, you may not be here much longer. But giving you enough time to read this so when you can't log back in you'll know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    In my opinion, the Charismatic movement's willful disregard for God's sovereign authority in the selection of individuals for a particular spiritual gift makes the movement just as pagan, just as fraudulent, and just as misleading as Wiccan, Islam, Mormonism, and the Watchtower Society.

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    And this sovereign God you are talking about has Ceased all the gifts, the supernatural ones that is, that all the deceived Charismatics think they can pursue eagerly. And he has sovereignly given you a gift of teaching about this and other things.

    1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    In my opinion, the Charismatic movement's willful disregard for God's sovereign authority in the selection of individuals for a particular spiritual gift makes the movement just as pagan, just as fraudulent, and just as misleading as Wiccan, Islam, Mormonism, and the Watchtower Society.
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    1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
    Bingo. All one has to do is read the scripture and believe it. Not approach it with their preconceived ideas.

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    1 Cor 1:7 so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    8 who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    The timeframe is from the time of writing until Jesus' return. The subject is the continuation of all gifts during that time frame. That's how easy it is to refute cessationism.

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    And oh yeah:

    1 Cor. 12
    31 But covet earnestly the best gifts

    Young's Literal Translation

    31 and desire earnestly the better gifts;

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    The chapter about love is wedged between those two verses, 12:31 and 14:1

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    Not at all interested in Webs "opinion".

    You can't tell somebody who is already swimming in the pool that there is no water there.


    John 7:37-39
    (37) In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
    (38) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
    (39) (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


    Those living waters don't flow out of ones mental ability or prowess.

    Those living waters flow out of the innermost being - out of their spirit.

    Hence...


    I Corinthians 14:12-15
    (12) Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
    (13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

    (14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding (mind) is unfruitful.

    (15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding (mind) also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding (mind) also.


    You need two wheels to ride that bike.

    Without the aid and unction of the Spirit, the mind alone is spiritually unfruitful. and is blind to spiritual things.

    And then one usually ends up with Cessationism, as a result of, and as a continued excuse for, relying on mental gymnastics..


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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    I'm an American citizen. Here in my country the US Constitution grants cultists tolerance, but the Constitution does not grant them respect.

    As far as I'm concerned, Charismatics deserve no more respect than whackos like Jim Jones and David Koresh, and it is my Constitutionally granted, and US Supreme Court upheld, American civil right to say so.

    Living Faith Forum is an un-American, undemocratic internet forum. It not only violates people's civil rights, but it also abuses their human rights. As far as I'm concerned, Living Faith Forum should be on the same list of despots as Kim Jong Un and Robert Mugabe.

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