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    1Cor 14:18-19 . . I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

    The primary purpose of any tongue-- whether a crow's caw, a cow's moo, or a gerbil's squeak --is to communicate. Well; if a teacher's Sunday school class and/or his congregation consists of folk who speak his own language, then for their sake, if not for Christ's, the teacher should teach them in his own language. If not, then he is supposed to have a translator on hand so the people get something out of what he's trying to explain.

    1Cor 14:5 . . He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

    1Cor 14:6-12 . . Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?

    . . . Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.

    . . . Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.

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    I have never heard of anyone who tried to teach the congregation by speaking in tongues to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    1Cor 14:18-19 . . I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

    The primary purpose of any tongue-- whether a crow's caw, a cow's moo, or a gerbil's squeak --is to communicate. Well; if a teacher's Sunday school class and/or his congregation consists of folk who speak his own language, then for their sake, if not for Christ's, the teacher should teach them in his own language. If not, then he is supposed to have a translator on hand so the people get something out of what he's trying to explain.

    1Cor 14:5 . . He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

    1Cor 14:6-12 . . Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?

    . . . Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.

    . . . Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.

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    Webers, your "useless wranglings" and unteachable spirit are growing old. Please study your bible with the Holy Spirit teaching you and stop listening to those who don't even understand the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of the Holy Spirit

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    1Cor 2:1-5 . .When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.

    One of the hindrances to Christianity's propagation is the fact that it won't hold up in a court of law; and that's simply because Christianity is illogical and unscientific, i.e. it cannot be empirically proven true beyond a shadow of sensible doubt.

    Apologetics can be defined as a branch of theology devoted to the defense of the divine origin and authority of Christianity. That definition doesn't depict the Spirit's method. He offers no apologies; for example:

    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Gen 1:1)

    The Spirit didn't begin the Bible with an argument as to the existence of a supreme being; nor make a case for its posit that the cosmos, with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy is the product of intelligent design. In other words: the Spirit comes across as dogmatic, closed-minded, and thoroughly unwilling to come to its senses and listen to reason.

    1Cor 2:14 . . A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him

    Thus I think it's fair to conclude that people endowed with the Spirit's gift to teach for Christ, don't do so by means of apologetics; which in my opinion amount to nothing more than perpetual bull sessions that never get to the bottom of anything.

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    1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

    It's important to note that this is neither a gender issue nor an issue related to competence; it's an issue related to primogeniture-- for that reason, and that reason alone, it is a disgrace for Christian women to lead Christian men in a Christian congregation.

    That rule applies to home Bible studies too. If Christian men are present, then Christian women are supposed to bite their tongue no matter if they know the Bible better than the man leading the study.

    BTW: A mixed-gender home Bible study without a Spirit-endowed male expositor is not a Bible study at all; no, it's a bull session. In those situations, it doesn't matter if women speak since the discussions are really no more Spirit-directed than a common chat.

    A natural question arises in cases of women like Anne Graham Lotz. Is she out of order? No; because Anne's preaching and teaching are typically public rather than before a Christian congregation.

    So then, though women aren't permitted to speak to a mixed-gender Christian congregation, that doesn't mean they can't speak to a mixed-gender public forum, or in the street; or in a coliseum, or in a stadium, or in a convention center, or on radio and television; or with a megaphone out on Pluto.

    The best place in church for women blessed with the Spirit's gift to teach for Christ is in a women's group; and if a man should invade a women's group led by a Spirit-gifted woman; I think he should be asked to leave.

    Q: What about Deborah in the Old Testament book of judges? Exactly how is she an exception to this rule, if indeed she was?

    A: Deborah was a Jewish woman whose association with Jewish people and with the Jews' God was by means of a very different covenant than the one by which Christian women associate with Christian congregations and with Christianity's Christ. I do not recommend using Deborah, or any other woman in the Bible, as an excuse to defy Christ.

    John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I wish.

    FYI: A very important point too often overlooked in Deborah's case is that there is no textual evidence indicating that she intruded either the priesthood or the Sanhedrin.

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    1Cor 2:12-13 . . We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

    The interesting aspect of spiritual words is their simplicity. For example; Christ utilized ordinary words while teaching about eating his flesh and blood (John 6:63).

    So then; when somebody parrots that rather lengthy section in the gospel of John, they are parroting spiritual words, yes; however, parroting spiritual words and applying spiritual words, involves the use of two very different skill sets.

    Any 6th grade school kid can read, write, and recite spiritual words; but educated abilities like those do not indicate that the kid is a Christ-gifted teacher. No, the guy who can articulate the sense of those words in a way that the Lord's sheep understand is the guy with the goods.

    But that's only half the story. The Spirit doesn't "flow thru" a Christ-gifted teacher as if they were a channel. No, the Spirit works alongside the Christ-gifted teacher; silently and invisibly, corroborating the things he's saying.

    1Cor 2:4-5 . . My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.

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    2Tim 2:3-4 . . Endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs-- he wants to please his commanding officer.

    Pastors and teachers are called of God to teach and preach things that edify Christ's body (Eph 4:11-14). God forbid that they should disgrace their pulpits and/or their classrooms with worldly purposes, e.g. political activism, business interests, endorsements, etc.

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