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    1 John 2:24-27New King James Version (NKJV)


    24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.

    26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
    Let's use the context when we quote scripture, Webers. There were no chapter and verse separations when the epistles were written. In Hebrews we see that the author was scolding them for not maturing/progressing in the faith. They hadn't even made it past the basics, the "Elementary principles of Christ". And as we examine some of the recent discussions around here lately, we see that you also have not grasped the Elementary principles such as baptismS (yes, that's plural).


    Hebrews 5:5-6:3New King James Version (NKJV)


    5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him:

    “You are My Son,
    Today I have begotten You.”

    6 As He also says in another place:

    “You are a priest forever
    According to the order of Melchizedek”;

    7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, 10 called by God as High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek,” 11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.


    12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


    6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.
    In the early church it was expected that if you had been saved you had also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    This is evidenced by Paul's question in Acts 19: "Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?"

    Over 3000 people received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. More received it in Samaria, and then the gentiles first received it in Acts 10. In fact, it was the audible evidence of the HS Baptism that showed Peter and his fellow believers that God had accepted the Gentiles. Then he commanded that they be baptized in water.

    The problem with your premise that "we need to be taught by a teacher or else" is that you have listened to the wrong teachers. They do not have a grip on the basic elements of Christ. They have even gone as far as denying them and attributing them to the devil. And yet, Luke teaches us that our Heavenly Father will give the Holy Spirit to any of His children who ask to receive.

    In fact, the following passage is referring to the gift of the Holy Spirit/Promise of the Father. It is often used to preach on salvation, but when examined in context it is definitely about receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit:

    Luke 11:5-13New King James Version (NKJV)


    5 And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.


    9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[a] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    The gift of teaching is a safeguard against sophistry. (Eph 4:14)

    The gift of teaching is also essential to unity in the faith. (Eph 4:13)

    And essential to growth. (Eph 4:13)

    And essential to Christ-likeness. (Eph 4:13)

    And essential to edification. (Eph 4:12)

    And essential to a knowledge of the Son of God. (Eph 4:13)

    Without somebody available with the gift of teaching, Christ's sheep would end up self-taught, and that is not a good thing.

    2Pet 3:15-17 . .Our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    Self-taught Christians attempting to get by sans the guidance of a gifted teacher are feral; they have no shepherd, and they're disconnected from the source of life.

    John 15:5-6 . . I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

    In other words; self-taught Christians are of little more value than yard debris.

    2Tim 2:16 . . Avoid worldly, empty chatter; for it will lead to further impiety.

    What he's talking about there are bull sessions that never get to the bottom of anything.

    Some years ago I was invited to a home Bible study. Before considering his invitation; I asked the host if his group was led by a competent Bible teacher. He said: "No; we don't have a teacher. The group teaches itself. In other words: we speak as the Spirit leads us." I declined.

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    States the purpose of the teaching gift...does not answer the question regarding the other gifts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    1Tim 3:1-2 . . If any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be . . . able to teach

    2Tim 2:24- . . And the Lord's servant must . . . be able to teach

    According to Eph 4:11, pastoring and teaching are joined by a conjunction with no comma between them; which suggests to me that teaching is actually a pastoring activity.

    The Greek word for "pastor" in Eph 4:11 is poimen (poy-mane') which essentially refers to shepherds.

    Christ is a poimen (Matt 26:31, John 10:11, Heb 13:20, and 1Pet 2:25) and he was really good at it when he was here. The reason he was so good at it is because #1, he was God-appointed, and #2, he was God-enabled. (Luke 4:18-19, John 3:34). In other words: Christ had the gift of teaching.

    In my experience, there's a serious shortage of God-appointed, God-enabled Sunday school teachers. Many of those I encounter are making do with lesson materials that they themselves did not author, nor have the ability to author were they required to; and that's no doubt because they've been okayed to teach by their church rather than okayed to do so by Christ. They might be serving their church, but I honestly do not believe they are serving Christ.

    Luke 11:23 . . He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters.

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    True....as one with the calling to teach Holy Spirit reminded me years ago that a God called teacher teaches through PRESENT leading and revelation of the Holy Spirit, not as one merely 'trained' academically in the Bible. Spirit led teachers do not have to be trained academically...but they do need to be constantly taught by Holy Spirit which often leads them to academic study...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    2Tim 2:24 . . And the Lord's servant must . . . be able to teach

    There's a rule governing the gift of teaching that goes on the dotted line connecting "must" and "be able". It reads like this:

    -- not quarrel; instead, kind to everyone --

    The koiné Greek word for quarrel is machomai (makh'-om-ahee) which means: to war, i.e. dispute.

    Well; disputing is what car salesmen do because they're desperate to sell vehicles. But the Lord's servant isn't a salesman; no, he's a herald; which is essentially a messenger.

    Quite a few of the people I encounter on forums aren't the heralding type. No; they're rivalrous, competitive, and combative; and get really upset when I don't agree with and/or support their POV.

    The Greek word for "kind" is epios (ay'-pee-os) wich essentially means affable, i.e. mild

    Webster's defines "mild" as gentle in nature or behavior; viz: temperate; in other words: agreeable, approachable, reasonable, calm, mellow, and self-controlled.

    Non-mild people could be characterized as moody, grudging, irritable, emotional, thin-skinned, belligerent, pugnacious, brawling, defensive, confrontational, and reactive; around whom everybody has to walk on egg shells all the time to avoid setting them off.

    Patience and kindness are important; ergo: impatient, unkind people should not attempt to teach for Christ even if he has bestowed upon them the actual, honest to gosh, gift of teaching; otherwise they'll be representing him in the flesh instead of in the Spirit.

    Gal 5:21-22 . .The fruit of the Spirit is patience and kindness.

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    Emotions aside, one needs to be able to present their Biblical case on a subject and be able to be Berean with those who they disagree with...

    If one merely posts scripture in response one has not received revelation but are responding, most likely, from an academic perspective. There are many well versed heresy teachers in the world...the Holy Spirit revealed to me years ago that Bible study is not enough..I must have revelation and become able to articulate not only what I believe but why IN MY OWN WORDS. Until that depth of understanding comes the reality is one is only regurgitating what has been dropped into their mouth....

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    A question was asked..I did not see your answer? Why do you believe some gifts remain and some ceased? In your own words....followed by scripture.

    When Paul taught the Bereans he obviously taught from the aspect of understanding and wisdom...then the Bereans 'searched scripture' to see if what he taught was scriptural affirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Let's use the context when we quote scripture, Webers. There were no chapter and verse separations when the epistles were written. In Hebrews we see that the author was scolding them for not maturing/progressing in the faith. They hadn't even made it past the basics, the "Elementary principles of Christ". And as we examine some of the recent discussions around here lately, we see that you also have not grasped the Elementary principles such as baptismS (yes, that's plural).




    In the early church it was expected that if you had been saved you had also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    This is evidenced by Paul's question in Acts 19: "Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?"

    Over 3000 people received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. More received it in Samaria, and then the gentiles first received it in Acts 10. In fact, it was the audible evidence of the HS Baptism that showed Peter and his fellow believers that God had accepted the Gentiles. Then he commanded that they be baptized in water.

    The problem with your premise that "we need to be taught by a teacher or else" is that you have listened to the wrong teachers. They do not have a grip on the basic elements of Christ. They have even gone as far as denying them and attributing them to the devil. And yet, Luke teaches us that our Heavenly Father will give the Holy Spirit to any of His children who ask to receive.

    In fact, the following passage is referring to the gift of the Holy Spirit/Promise of the Father. It is often used to preach on salvation, but when examined in context it is definitely about receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit:



    Truth....in my walk with the Lord I had to settle something....God is not man...God does not think like man...God teaches man, not the other way around....so o trust the teachings of man above all is severely flawed.

    Jesus said we have need that NONE teach us because we have the Holy Spirit who leads and guides us into all truth...teachers are called to merely share what Holy Spirit has taught THEM...

    Coming to grips with the reality that I MUST trust Holy Spirit to lead me to all truth I had to allow HIM to lead me to teachers my own denomination called heretics...when He and I had this conversation He reminded me of the thousands of divided 'organizations' and that all are flawed...And He asked me, 'Do you want to KNOW ME or are you content with what others teach ABOUT Me?'

    When I said, somewhat fearfully, Lord I want to KNOW YOU no matter what and no matter where that takes me and no matter the cost....my relationship with Him grew exponentially because together we walked forward...out of that fortress of trusting what man teaches more than where the Spirit leads...

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    Post Re: Rules Governing The Gift Of Teaching

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    Rom 12:7b . . If you are a teacher, do a good job of teaching.

    I had a Sunday school teacher once who worked as a maintenance man in a public swimming facility. One Saturday he had to work late repairing some equipment at the pool and had no time to prepare his lesson plan for Sunday morning so he just threw something together. It stunk; and my wife and I got nothing out of it.

    In contrast, I once knew a pastor who took all week long to prepare his Sunday morning sermons; rather than just Saturday night. Now there was a guy who knew what it means to "do a good job of teaching". His heart was really in it.

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    1Tim 3:1-2 . . If any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be . . . able to teach

    The koiné Greek word for "overseer" is episkopos (ep-is'-kop-os) which essentially refers to superintendents, i.e. department heads.

    Seeing as how teaching is a prerequisite here, then I'd guess that the department heads in view are the ones responsible for Christian education, i.e. the various Sunday school classes; e.g. children, teen-agers, young adults, married couples, singles, and senior citizens, etc.

    I think it's reasonable to assume that Christian education department heads lacking the gift of teaching quite naturally gravitate towards, and select and appoint, under-teachers who also lack the gift of teaching; which is no doubt why Paul said, via the inspiration of God, that an overseer's ability to teach is a must.

    Can you just imagine the mess a church would be in if not only its education departments lacked the gift of teaching; but on top of that its pastors lacked the gift of pastoring? From the pulpit to the pew, everyone in that church would be totally out of sync with Christ.

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    2Tim 3:16 . . All scripture is useful for teaching

    At the time when the apostle Paul wrote that comment to his pal Timothy, "scripture" was almost exclusively limited to the Old Testament. So then, it's my judgment that someone Spirit-empowered to teach for Christ, should work with the Old Testament as well as the New because he did.

    Luke 24:44-45 . .Then he said to them: These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning me. And he opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the scriptures.

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    Q: How would an interested party go about locating teachers endowed with the Spirit's gift?

    A: Male meerkats are attracted to female meerkats. Male eagles are attracted to female eagles. Male elk are attracted to female elk.

    Those male/female attractions aren't regulated by written how-to instructions. In other words; every creature on earth is wired to be attracted to its own species rather than some other species because it's in their nature to do so, i.e. they can't help but be attracted to their own species.

    According to 2Pet 1:2-4, Christ's sheep are partakers of the divine nature. Well; that is quite an advantage over John Q and Jane Doe pew warmer. Christ's sheep are attracted to his gifted teachers because it is in the divine nature's nature to be attracted to its own kind.

    John 10:4-6 . .When he has brought out all his own sheep, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice. Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.

    NOTE: The voice spoken of in that passage as "his voice" isn't literal. According to the Lord; it's a figure of speech.

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