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    1Cor 14:39 . .Do not forbid speaking in tongues.

    That rule applies only to people who actually have the gift of tongues because according to Rom 12:4, 1Cor 12:10-11, 1Cor 12:29-30, and 1Cor 14:5 not everyone does.

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    According to Acts 2:4-11, the gift of tongues is supposed to enable the giftees to be heard in a variety of honest to gosh, real-life languages.

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    1 Cor 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    According to Acts 2:4-11, the gift of tongues is supposed to enable the giftees to be heard in a variety of real, honest to gosh languages.

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    You don't understand diversities of tongues. There are different kinds of tongues, tongues for different usages. Colonel mentioned 1 Cor. 14:2. That is a tongue that speaks to God, or a prayer tongue. That's one diversity. Men don't understand it. The one you're taking about in Acts the men understood it, therefore it is a different tongue than 1 Cor. 14:2 that men don't understand. A 'message' in tongues in a service and then interpreted is another diversity. That is a tongue God speaking to man. So that is different than 1 cor. 14:2 where man is speaking to God. So you have 3 diversities, or usages of tongues in those 3 different situations.

    By not understanding diversities of tongues, or tongues of different usages, that's where you make your mistake in interpreting Acts 2 like you do. But as I have clearly shown (and Colonel), there is more than one way that tongues express themselves. Man to God, God to man, and tongues that are spoken that are understood by men as a sign (Acts 2).

    Also the scriptures you use to show that not everyone can have the gift of tongues can be easily explained one by one not to be saying what you say they say. I'll do it later when I have time. The diversity of tongue that is man speaking to God is for everyone (devotional tongues; prayer tongues or whatever one wants to call it). It's even for you if you don't have it. Which I suspect you don't since posts like yours normally come from those that don't. If you do and still believe like you do, that's normally the exception. :)

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    Everyone does not have every gift of the Spirit, that is the context of this verse :

    1 Cor 12:30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all*speak*with*tongues? Do all interpret?

    Which mentions the two gifts of tongues and interpretation of tongues which operate together. That is different to tongues that are not meant to be interpreted because they are spoken to God and not to men.

    1 Cor 14:5 I wish you all spoke with*tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies*is*greater than he who speaks with*tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

    Here the apostle expresses his wish that everyone should speak in tongues in general and don't tell me that his wish is against the wish of Jesus Christ.

    A while ago I layed hands on someone in church and spoke a message in tongues in a fast and extremely intricate language for about a minute or two. It could have been some earthly language or maybe an angelic one as Paul mentions speaking in 1 Cor 13:1. The man was receiving several types of inner healing and heard the interpretation of the tongues in his heart in visual form while I was speaking them. Afterwards he had a hard time standing on his feet and was holding on to a chair while his arms were shaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Everyone does not have every gift of the Spirit, that is the context of this verse :

    1 Cor 12:30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all*speak*with*tongues? Do all interpret?

    Which mentions the two gifts of tongues and interpretation of tongues which operate together. That is different to tongues that are not meant to be interpreted because they are spoken to God and not to men.
    A perfect example of two different diversities. 1 Cor. 12 is tongues that is God to man. It is a ministry gift of tongues to the people from God. Everybody doesn't operate in this. 1 Cor 14:2 talks about tongues that are man to God. So you have a God to man tongue and a man to God tongue. Two different diversities.

    1 Cor 14:5 I wish you all spoke with*tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies*is*greater than he who speaks with*tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

    Here the apostle expresses his wish that everyone should speak in tongues in general and don't tell me that his wish is against the wish of Jesus Christ.
    And also the comment about Paul wanting us to prophesy as opposed to tongues is in the context of an assembly so that the people can understand and be edified. Not a general statement about tongues vs prophecy. And as Colonel quoted, Paul even offers an exemption about tongues in the assembly, "...EXCEPT they interpret" (KJV). Why? So the assembly can be edified through understanding. So if you interpret the tongues, you are as 'great' as the one who prophesies in an assembly.

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    1 Cor 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
    That's just it. God only knows what's coming out of the tonguer's mouth-- they might even be cussing! I should think that's at least one of the reasons why people ought to pray in a language they understand.

    A charismatic once informed me that he prayed in a tongue because he couldn't express his deepest feelings any other way. Mind you this was an American adult of almost fifty years old; educated in America and spoke, wrote, and read English his entire life. So I asked him how it is that his command of the English language was so poor that he could only express his thoughts in a language that not even he himself could either identify or understand?

    1Cor 14:14-15 . . For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

    ps: My charismatic friend should to try expressing love for his wife in a tongue and see how she feels about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    That's just it. Only God knows for sure what's really coming out of the tonguer's mouth-- he might even be cussing! I should think that's at least one of the reasons why people ought to pray in a language they understand.
    That just shows you your misunderstanding of tongues. A person might be cursing in tongues? Are you serious? These are supernatural inspired tongues by God, a gift of the Holy Spirit, allowing a person to speak/pray TO GOD beyond one's own natural understanding of what to pray. When we don't know what to pray for, the Spirit knows exactly what to pray for, and we yield to Him in tongues in order to pray what we don't know to pray. He HELPS US pray those things we don't know to pray. As far as expressing love for one's wife in tongues, not a good idea because SHE doesn't understand it, but GOD does when you speak in tongues. So perfectly appropriate toward God.

    You're really not going to get very far here with your error/ignorance of what tongues are all about. But your posts are good for us to spring-board off of to explain correctly. So if you just be quiet and quit posting about this, and read and try to understand our responses, you might actually just learn some truth about tongues. :)

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    Are you objecting to something I said or is it just that you disapprove of 1 Cor 14:2 ?

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    That's just it. God only knows what's coming out of the tonguer's mouth-- they might even be cussing! I should think that's at least one of the reasons why people ought to pray in a language they understand.

    A charismatic once informed me that he prayed in a tongue because he couldn't express his deepest feelings any other way. Mind you this was an American adult of almost fifty years old; educated in America and spoke, wrote, and read English his entire life. So I asked him how it is that his command of the English language was so poor that he could only express his thoughts in a language that not even he himself could either identify or understand?

    1Cor 14:14-15 . . For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

    ps: My charismatic friend should to try expressing love for his wife in a tongue and see how she feels about it.

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