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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    According to Kenneth Hagin senior some of his spiritual followers who were blessed financially had gone beyond what was biblically acceptable and that includes Kenneth Copeland.

    That doesn't mean KC has not blessed people in the past or his messages had a powerful effect like it did with Fuego.

    In context with the thread title KC has gone after prosperity beyond what is scriptural from Hagins challenge to him and other key wof leaders

    Of course one could say that was Hagins opinion ...Hagin says he heard from God
    Could you please be more specific ? What exactly did he address and did each of the ministers change their teachings in response to this in any way ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Could you please be more specific ? What exactly did he address and did each of the ministers change their teachings in response to this in any way ?
    KC was at a special meeting called by Hagin snr as well as some of the other big names

    http://www1.cbn.com/questions/wrong-motive-giving

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    IMO Gods ministers are to concentrate on ministering the Word etc. and leave making big bucks to Christian businessmen.
    Yes God does bless ministers financially but that should never be the main focus. Deception comes in when ministers make money a major focus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    KC was at a special meeting called by Hagin snr as well as some of the other big names

    http://www1.cbn.com/questions/wrong-motive-giving
    Does Kenneth Copeland currently teach any of the points listed in the article ?

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    "Your Father in heaven knows what you have NEED of before you ask." Lot's of folks have changed that word "NEED" to the word "WANT". Jesus taught that our Father knows that we NEED clothing and food, and will provide them for us, so quit worrying about them. He never taught that our Father was waiting to give us gold plated faucets and fancy cars and lavish mansions.
    I like to boil it down to this simple premise: Your heavenly Father has promised that He has your back while you are going about doing His business. He will protect you and provide for your needs. His word says so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Same here. I had just been saved one month when someone played a tape by him for me called 'God's Creative Power'. I had never heard teaching like that in my first month as a Christian. I actually had them play it again and listened through the whole thing again in the same sitting I was so blown away. The next tape was 'Our Covenant With God' which blew me away even more. I am forever indebted to him getting me off to the 'proper' foundation of faith, authority, healing, kingdom dominion, etc.
    For me the first power move was The Integrity of God's Word'. That one prompted me to view the scriptures to a far different depth...and led me to take a firm stand of faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    "Your Father in heaven knows what you have NEED of before you ask." Lot's of folks have changed that word "NEED" to the word "WANT". Jesus taught that our Father knows that we NEED clothing and food, and will provide them for us, so quit worrying about them. He never taught that our Father was waiting to give us gold plated faucets and fancy cars and lavish mansions.
    I like to boil it down to this simple premise: Your heavenly Father has promised that He has your back while you are going about doing His business. He will protect you and provide for your needs. His word says so.
    Amen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    He never taught that our Father was waiting to give us gold plated faucets and fancy cars and lavish mansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Does Kenneth Copeland currently teach any of the points listed in the article ?
    Yes.

    And, he thinks the pope is actually a Christian too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    So sad, ... no, ... tragic, to feel that way when the Scriptures say that God delights in the prosperity of His servants.

    Ps 35:27 NKJV 27 Let them shout for joy and be glad, Who favor my righteous cause; And let them say continually, "Let the LORD be magnified, Who has pleasure in the prosperity of His servant."

    There are many, many Scriptures that very clearly teach how God blesses His children with prosperity, but strangely, all of these verses are always ignored in articles like this.

    The problem is not the doctrine of prosperity, .... no, rather, it is the abuse of the doctrine of prosperity, and, of course, the manipulation of good hearted- people by religious hucksters and charlatans.

    BTW, the John Oliver piece referred to in the article was from a HBO program. It was full of bleeps that were obviously F-bombs. Do you think a filthy-mouthed comedian mocking Christians has any credibility for correcting wayward television preachers?

    Folk need to be careful they don't throw the baby out with the dirty bath water ....
    the prosperity doctrine was born out of the WOF beginnings..... yes i know the scriptures concerning prosperity but many in the WOF denom have a way of distorting and twisting these scriptures 2 fit n their boxed n theology. yes God does bless his sons and daughters but not n the way the prosperity teachers present it. as for psalms 35:27 the Hebrew word for prosperity is shalowm meaning peace, quiet, tranquility, contentment, safety, soundness (in body). me thinks the word money, rolls Royce, rolex watches, and mansions were missing in the meaning here. and for the life of me if my Bible tells me right all of the apostles except 1 and Jesus died horrible deaths and lived by faith according to the word of God. lest we forget about Pauls tribulations in 2nd Cor 11:24 - 28. its apparent he did not get hold of kenneth copeland, fred price, and paula whites teachings on the prosperity doctrine n time. apparently they arrived after his death by beheading along with return seed faith offering envelopes.... (please note the humor with a little sarcasm thrown n 2 lighten the moment)

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