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Originally Posted by
Nikos
John 3:8 is clearly not speaking about the devil. Read it again.
I didnt say that it does.
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There is no indication in scripture that any being is omnipresent other than God.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Good point. Not to mention he is a spiritually 'dead' being so to speak. He lost his 'light' when he sinned. Like you said, he doesn't 'get it' necessarily because of the darkness that is in him. That is if he does 'understand' what is actually being said.
John 3:8 suggests that it works the same whenever a believer is moving in the Spirit, the world and the devil dont get it. So whether he is able to comprehend tongues or not, there is nothing for us to worry about.
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None of this is provable. No one knows if Satan cannot understand spiritual things. I tend to think he understands them more than most Christians.
Here is something to consider: If a being is immaterial and not part of the natural world, then it is not bound by space-time. If its perception and knowledge are not limited by a physical brain, then it seems that such a being would be omnipresent.
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Originally Posted by
Nikos
None of this is provable. No one knows if Satan cannot understand spiritual things. I tend to think he understands them more than most Christians.
Here is something to consider: If a being is immaterial and not part of the natural world, then it is not bound by space-time. If its perception and knowledge are not limited by a physical brain, then it seems that such a being would be omnipresent.
So then by that logic all people in heaven and hell are omnipresent. They are no less 'immaterial' then angels or demons.
Also using your same logic, then those beings should all be omniscient also since they have nothing to limit their knowledge.
Again, that's all speculation. There is no evidence that anyone but God is omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent.
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Again, that's all speculation. There is no evidence that anyone but God is omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent.
I agree with this statement. I have been saying that it is all speculation and we cannot make an iron tight case for satan or angels, either way. It is not clear in scripture. However, I have always leaned toward the belief that you have here, that satan cannot understand tongues. But it cannot be proven. I simply brought these points up to show that we cannot prove what we would want to believe.
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Even if the devil understands tongues
The wisdom the devil once operated under back when he was lucifer has been corrupted so he canot see into the spiritual things of God... other than what he hears man teaching from the Bible and he also gains knowledge of us personally thru our words, espercially words of fear.
When we speak words of fear it's like pouring gas on a fire as it opens wide the door for satanic activity. God gave man dominion and when man bows to fear, satan has the right to slap ya around.
You have no way to prove that an angel is only in one place at any given time
You have no way to prove any angel good or bad is omnipresent
No one knows if satan cannot understand spiritual things
Since you believe this, he understands all kinds of things about you since you have elevated him in your thinking and speech.
You probably have frequent attacks, right?
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Originally Posted by
Nikos
None of this is provable. No one knows if Satan cannot understand spiritual things. I tend to think he understands them more than most Christians.
Here is something to consider: If a being is immaterial and not part of the natural world, then it is not bound by space-time. If its perception and knowledge are not limited by a physical brain, then it seems that such a being would be omnipresent.
But if a being is omnipresent then they would not have to travel to get somewhere brother Nikos. They would already be there, all the time. In the book of Daniel we can see that this is not the case, angels do have to travel according to God's word.
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