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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeze View Post
    as a medic i can tell u not every MI turns out like this..... the power of prayer does things ya'll.... the young man was given a 2nd chance by the grace of God..... i once had a man who was a crack addict fall dead and fell into his waffles at the waffle house. we got him back twice. we were there at the right time and the right place. it was Gods timing the paramedics were right here in this church when it happened and dont ever think Jesus did not bring him back because of the prayer of the saints. think about this usually there is a 12 minute window from the time the heart stops until the percentages of getting the heart 2 start again lowers drastically. after 15 minutes the chances decrease even more. for the medical team 2 b right there n five minutes or less pumping the heart and defibing is a God sent... everybody should have CPR training...
    Even if God's power or leading was involved, that doesnt mean it amounted to a resurrection. A successful defibrillation does not equal a resurrection miracle. No more than injecting anti-venom equals a miraculous healing from poison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Even if God's power or leading was involved, that doesnt mean it amounted to a resurrection. A successful defibrillation does not equal a resurrection miracle. No more than injecting anti-venom equals a miraculous healing from poison.
    did u read my comment colonel? just wondering....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeze View Post
    did u read my comment colonel? just wondering....
    I certainly did read it but I may not have understood it. Just because the probability of being revived gets smaller with time doesnt mean that it was a resurrection miracle. People have been revived almost an hour after their hearts stopped beating. Reviving days after being pronounced dead is what is usually referred to as a resurrection. There is a Norwegian evangelist who preached to an unreached tribe about the resurrection of Christ and they brought a man who had been dead for days and demanded that he would resurrect him or they would kill him. You can guess the result. That is a resurrection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I am in no way knowledgable about medical procedures but I dont understand how that is different to when people whose hearts stopped are later revived again by medical personell.
    Just wondering...how do you define 'dead'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Just wondering...how do you define 'dead'?
    I'd cry resurrection when the chances of recovery by natural means are pretty much zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'd cry resurrection when the chances of recovery by natural means are pretty much zero.
    When do you think the spirit leaves the body?

    That does not define DEAD...I would think you would have to determine what a true resurrection is based on what truly DEAD means...

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    One example of a resurrection that was done quickly...

    Acts 20:9-12 (KJV)
    9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
    10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
    11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
    12 And they brought the young man alive, and were not a little comforted.

    Some might say this young man was not actually dead but the scripture says he was...after embracing the young man Paul declares he is alive...
    was this a resurrection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    One example of a resurrection that was done quickly...

    Acts 20:9-12 (KJV)
    9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
    10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
    11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
    12 And they brought the young man alive, and were not a little comforted.

    Some might say this young man was not actually dead but the scripture says he was...after embracing the young man Paul declares he is alive...
    was this a resurrection?
    There is no indication that they promoted it as a great resurrection miracle like they did with Lazarus. Which seems sensible. There are plenty of people who merely appear to be dead then naturally revive later. Some times after days but then medical personell were probably not involved to certify that the person was dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    There is no indication that they promoted it as a great resurrection miracle like they did with Lazarus. Which seems sensible. There are plenty of people who merely appear to be dead then naturally revive later. Some times after days but then medical personell were probably not involved to certify that the person was dead.
    Irrelevant how it was promoted...he was dead and then he was not...I define resurrection as dead and then not dead...

    I realize those in the medical science realm don't because they want to take all the credit..but is it more likely that the person whose heart is restarted and breath returns because a machine was used was given a second chance BECAUSE science and God agreed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Irrelevant how it was promoted...he was dead and then he was not...I define resurrection as dead and then not dead...

    I realize those in the medical science realm don't because they want to take all the credit..but is it more likely that the person whose heart is restarted and breath returns because a machine was used was given a second chance BECAUSE science and God agreed?
    I don't know exactly what happened but in general I think it is bad idea to promote things as extreme miracles when the whole thing is perfectly explainable in terms of the natural, in this case the defibrillator. Thinking that is, even knowing that it is - is okay. Just don't promote it as such unless it is clear that it was. Then let them deny what really cannot be denied, just like the Pharisees had to in relation to the miracles at the beginning of the book of Acts. In this case all they will see is a bunch of Christians choosing to ascribe the action of the defibrillator to the working of the power of God and then they will think to themselves that "that is the best they've got".

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