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Cardinal TT
Many conservative believers down under were desperate for Trump to win and we were disappointed Biden became prez.
I am not dismissing that its possible the election was rigged. If Trump wins 2024 I will be happy.
My issue with KK is why didn't God show her the election would be stolen and Biden will be inaugurated. That would give her credibility.
The stealing of the election was big news yet KK totally missed it. I would much more prefer to be saying KK got it right.
Per the underlined...This is the issue I have with Christians. We presume to think or believe God has a duty to show us everything. Why do we do that when we know He doesn't always show us the whole picture?
Either we trust/believe Him when He tells us something, or we don't.
When God instructed told Abram to leave all that he knew to a place God would show him, he went believing. God told Him he'd have a son in his old age...but it took 25 years!
How is it so difficult for us to believe God no matter what it looks like, or if He doesn't show us the whole picture at once? The children of Israel suffered greatly in the desert because if their unbelief. Are we doing the same?
I am neither defending or dismissing KK's prophecies or visions. I'm merely trying to see this through the way Gods has done things in His word. Just giving her the benefit of the doubt based in her entire record, and not on what appears to be a few misses.
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Valiant Woman
Per the underlined...This is the issue I have with Christians. We presume to think or believe God has a duty to show us everything. Why do we do that when we know He doesn't always show us the whole picture?
Either we trust/believe Him when He tells us something, or we don't.
When God instructed told Abram to leave all that he knew to a place God would show him, he went believing. God told Him he'd have a son in his old age...but it took 25 years!
How is it so difficult for us to believe God no matter what it looks like, or if He doesn't show us the whole picture at once? The children of Israel suffered greatly in the desert because if their unbelief. Are we doing the same?
I am neither defending or dismissing KK's prophecies or visions. I'm merely trying to see this through the way Gods has done things in His word. Just giving her the benefit of the doubt based in her entire record, and not on what appears to be a few misses.
Cardinal TT's statement that you highlighted above is one of those statements that makes me scratch my head when Cardinal says he has been involved in the prophetic movement for a while . EVERYBODY knows that the Spirit Moves at his discretion ... So Questions like "why didn't God show her the election would be stolen" simply beggar belief
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A different gospel ...
She seems to be saying that Jews are auto-saved or more specifically that they are given a death bed (not everyone dies on a death bed) choice via supernatural conversation with Jesus sometime between death and judgement.
While this sounds nice and loving does it sound like truth? Why bother preaching to Jews if it's a done deal?
I'm not quite understanding how everyone seems to be on board with this.
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Originally Posted by
BAP
Cardinal TT's statement that you highlighted above is one of those statements that makes me scratch my head when Cardinal says he has been involved in the prophetic movement for a while . EVERYBODY knows that the Spirit Moves at his discretion ... So Questions like "why didn't God show her the election would be stolen" simply beggar belief
BAP
The reason I make these comments is due to her extra extra extra amazing direct communication with God yet she gets things wrong all the time.
Someone who talks and sees God face to face and been to heaven 1000+ times is in a different category to normal prophets so should have extra extra prophetic knowledge
Because I have been used in the prophetic from a leadership position I also had a responsibility to 'test all things'. Christians can still get things wrong for a variety of reasons and
if they do its is correctable and not serious error. We know in part and prophesy in part.
KK is on a different level as she does not 'prophesy in part' but by direct communication. She also mixes teaching with her revelations and says things beyond scripture.
Whether you recognize this or not they MUST be judged more strongly than the normal prophetic.
Of course you don't know me so you cannot tell if I am genuine or a wacko.... nonetheless I will comment on my past knowledge and experience and declare she is in error.
She is potentially more dangerous because she uses truth and has a large grasp of scripture which makes her visions seem legit.
I still accept her as a christian but reject her revelations.
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John
A different gospel ...
She seems to be saying that Jews are auto-saved or more specifically that they are given a death bed (not everyone dies on a death bed) choice via supernatural conversation with Jesus sometime between death and judgement.
While this sounds nice and loving does it sound like truth? Why bother preaching to Jews if it's a done deal?
I'm not quite understanding how everyone seems to be on board with this.
The amount of junk she says is overwhelming there is so much evidence she speaks false words yet the desire to give her a pass is
The below clip is of her telling everyone Paul's thorn in the flesh was blindness. Listen from 1.00 - 2.30. She even gets Paul's name confused with John but its Paul she is talking about.
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
The amount of junk she says is overwhelming there is so much evidence she is false yet the desire to give her a pass is
The below clip is of her telling everyone
Paul's thorn in the flesh was blindness. Listen from 1.00 - 2.30. She even gets Paul's name confused with John but its Paul she is talking about.
Yeah, I understand the content creation aspect of ministries like this, you have to crank stuff out, I'm not sure that God is on demand like that but I am really asking how people are arriving at the conclusion that Jews are auto-saved? I know how much God loves Israel, the Jewish people but there is no indication in the word that they get a free pass, in one video she referenced OT that Jews were brought to to the bosom of Abraham after death so that still holds even after the revelation of our Savior. Well, Ok then, there was no point then for Christ to suffer on the cross, redeem mankind, including Jews.
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Originally Posted by
John
Yeah, I understand the content creation aspect of ministries like this, you have to crank stuff out, I'm not sure that God is on demand like that but I am really asking how people are arriving at the conclusion that Jews are auto-saved? I know how much God loves Israel, the Jewish people but their is no indication in the word that they get a free pass, in one video she referenced OT that that Jews were brought to to the bosum of Abraham after death so that still holds even after the revelation of our Savior. Well, Ok then, there was no point then for Christ to suffer on the cross, redeem mankind, including Jews.
I met and talked to a minister once who believes Israel is under a different covenant then the rest of us lowly gentiles.
I forgot how he came to that conclusion.
Anyways, as I've mentioned before, John Hagee believes this too.
Maybe it's not as uncommon as we think. IDK.
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Pentecali
I met and talked to a minister once who believes Israel is under a different covenant then the rest of us lowly gentiles.
I forgot how he came to that conclusion.
Anyways, as I've mentioned before, John Hagee believes this too.
Maybe it's not as uncommon as we think. IDK.
Okay, I guess this explains that. I would really like to think that is true but it is not explicitly stated in the bible, I would think that if it were true we would have some authoritative scripture in that regard. Would we really be loving Israel if we said, hey don't worry about the cross stuff, you're auto saved? It sounds like "feel good" is trumping true love, salvation alone through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
BAP
The reason I make these comments is due to her extra extra extra amazing direct communication with God yet she gets things wrong all the time.
Someone who talks and sees God face to face and been to heaven 1000+ times is in a different category to normal prophets so should have extra extra prophetic knowledge
Because I have been used in the prophetic from a leadership position I also had a responsibility to 'test all things'. Christians can still get things wrong for a variety of reasons and
if they do its is correctable and not serious error. We know in part and prophesy in part.
KK is on a different level as she does not 'prophesy in part' but by direct communication. She also mixes teaching with her revelations and says things beyond scripture.
Whether you recognize this or not they MUST be judged more strongly than the normal prophetic.
Of course you don't know me so you cannot tell if I am genuine or a wacko.... nonetheless I will comment on my past knowledge and experience and declare she is in error.
She is potentially more dangerous because she uses truth and has a large grasp of scripture which makes her visions seem legit.
I still accept her as a christian but reject her revelations.
I hear you Cardinal .. Nothing wrong with being a stickler for the word and lining it up agaisnt what you have heard.
I too have my questions about Katt but not so much her doctrine but moreso the accuracy of specific words she has given or claims she has made like the Joseph Prince example I gave ..
I guess I am just not ready to write her off yet even though my listening to her has diminished greatly
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Originally Posted by
BAP
Cardinal TT's statement that you highlighted above is one of those statements that makes me scratch my head when Cardinal says he has been involved in the prophetic movement for a while . EVERYBODY knows that the Spirit Moves at his discretion ... So Questions like "why didn't God show her the election would be stolen" simply beggar belief
When the Lord moved me to go to Rhema 15 years ago, I had no clue that I'd be here for good. None whatsoever. I figure I'd be here for a couple years then go back home and serve in my Church.
Then in 2010, I felt I should go to ORU, so again I figured I'd be here a few more years, then return to Michigan. Every time I went home for visits, the more detached I felt from Michigan. Finally in 2015, I asked the Lord what was it He wanted me to do? Well, it was a while before He confirmed that I am t stay here. So became an Okie.
My point is that if God had told me in 2007 that I'd be a permanent resident, I probably would have hesitated for longer than I should. It's all clearer to me now 15 years later, including the events that led to me reuniting with the man I've loved for 30 years.
The angel of God caused Zacharias to be unable to speak until John the Baptist was born. I understand why He has to keep some things from us for a season.
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