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    The Gifts and Ministries of the Holy Spirit

    The Discerning of spirits: A revelation visual or informational about the spirit realm. ~ Apr 21, 2021 ~
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    Now this may need some comments/help with from "Fuego" or "Jew and Greek" or FireBrand because of their background in schooling in these things. If they would.


    So this seems like a good teaching as far as describing the gifts of the Spirit. Years back I read a book by Lester Sumrall called "The Gifts and Ministries of the Holy Spirit". Which I am going to start reading again. Because a lot of things I know about the Holy Spirit I have been moving in. A few things this man was talking about.

    Even last Sunday (during the service towards the end, I started going low) as I was in my incline reaction self, where my mind was not even aware of my condition to commutate it to me. So I could be aware of I'm in a bit of danger and need to get my sugar level up. As I was giving my Pastor the goodbye greeting as I left the Church. I told him God has been putting this on my heart that you are going to be doing 2 services again like back in the day. A revival is coming, yes watch and see. It just came right out of my mouth and I was so full of the Joy of the Lord.
    So I prophesied a Word to him then, right?

    Now that ride home maybe Pastor Terry asked Jesus to take the wheel for my drive home. IDK, (snicker) because He did. It was a difficult ride back home. I stopped at Burger King which I sometimes do after Church. I got a Whopper with cheese and large fry. Then ate the fries as I drive. But this drive was hard to do in concentration factors. The fries might have not even kicked in, in time to help me. I was big time aggravated and some fiery dart was telling me cuss about everything I was doing. I forgot to cast it out and bring it in to obedience to Christ. But I said "I don't talk like that, leave me alone" "Lord get me home". I rode the break a bit I know but the Lord got me home. Praise Jesus!

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    I went to Rhema with him although I didn't know him then. He's a good friend of a good friend of mine, and I drove him around one time when my friend had him come to our church. He has an incredible about of visitations from the Lord and some interesting stuff. Most off the stuff he teaches is pretty right on though. A lot of what he's teaching there came from Hagin.

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    Now, I made a thread, them up above were from a post under a Smith Wigglesworth name thread earlier today.

    I guess there is some miss understanding of what my question was. Because I was including some of the events of the day into what led me to move in the Spirit in giving my Pastor a Word Sunday. Let me see if I can lay the ground work down to what I was asking.

    Now I'm in an incline reaction, many times I do not realize I am there in one. Which leads to me not being able to get some food/sugar/glucose/glucose tabs/sugared pop, what have you to help come out of it. I have to much incline in my system. Which as I describe in the first part about my condition. So I am impaired (Impaired judgement is a medical condition that results in a person not being able to make good decisions because of an underlying medical problem, environmental factors, diet or drugs/alcohol, according to WebMD.)

    So being impaired as I was. I moved in the Spirit with that Word to my Pastor. So my thinking it was all the Holy Spirit there. Nothing of my natural self or emotions were at play. It just came out. So my question is what do you all think?

    Here on this Forum I have learned plenty on the Gifts & Ministry of the Holy Spirit. I have never done this. I learn a lot of things from Perry Stone's videos. Studied a lot of things from Smith Wigglesworth's Ministry and teachings. I do His devotional every morning. I intercede a lot in prayer. I have a prayer language.

    In Lester Sumrall book called "The Gifts and Ministries of the Holy Spirit" he says no one could have all 9 gifts.

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    As being a T1D as you, there is a perspective I can add to this. The Holy Spirit can speak through a donkey when needed. You are full of the Spirit and God's beloved, not a beast. The Holy Spirit can move in the prophetic realm unhindered by the human condition though the "human" may have difficulty at certain points of the process. What you spoke was indeed a prophecy of the declarative nature. You spoke into the future. You saw something up ahead, grabbed ahold of it and spoke it as a reality. Learn to develop that without rushing into it trying to make it happen.

    The video, I enjoyed it. There is something he said toward the beginning about moving in gifts, not possessing them per se. You can move in a gift and seemingly not move in that gift again, but the Lord moved and you yielded. We were not taught that in 1980-85 when the Church was focused on Gifts. We were taught that you had a primary gift, it was yours. Also that only Jesus had all the Gifts and moved in them. Yes, He did, glory to God. One time I said (facebook) as a point of teaching that God has used me in all the Gifts. I was pretty much treated as a heretic. She thought the Gifts were given, they are ours. Of course she was wrong and the Lord tried to use me to lift her to a higher plane of yieldedness and faith. I love moving in the Gifts because Jesus is glorified in them.

    Here is another. The Gifts of Healing are often misconstrued. One lady in the church wanted to come in and speak with me. She was in need of healing and we often prayed for her. She is very troubled by demons but will not submit to God. As we spoke on healing she blurts out "how can you get anybody healed when you have diabetes?". Discernment, the distinguishing between spirits went off in me when she said that. I told her that God delights in using me in that Gift because I glorify Jesus in it, this is not about me. Now, if she wanted to repent of her sin (which she rebelled against God in) she could have been healed and set free. She and husband ended up getting a divorce and each shacking up, all the while claiming they were saved. Faith is so critical for our moving in the Gifts but how much moreso our obedience to risk our looking foolish and just yielding to Him.

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    This came on my page yesterday after noon. (Picture below.) I was there this morning. The youth Pastor & his wife and they were pushing their 2 daughters in a baby carriage. I stop the truck and talked with them and asked if I could join them and we walked around park road interceding for the Church and an outpouring of the Holy Spirit and world revival in the Church body and the call for the unsaved to come to Christ for salvation. Afterwards we had a great discussion about God and things. I plan to be there every Friday, Lord willing.

    Yes Brother from what I've studied on and read the gifts are to used for God's glory and for (a witness so) people to come to Christ for salvation.
    Yes, that book in the title of the thread. Lester says healings gifts are limited in meaning certain things folks will be used for healings in certain things.

    Quote FireBrand: The Holy Spirit can move in the prophetic realm unhindered by the human condition though the "human" may have difficulty at certain points of the process. What you spoke was indeed a prophecy of the declarative nature. You spoke into the future. You saw something up ahead, grabbed ahold of it and spoke it as a reality. Learn to develop that without rushing into it trying to make it happen.


    Got ya, I had been getting that word for Pastor Terry, not so much in telling him. At home while meeting with the Lord and while at Church one Sunday. That Sunday, it just came out.

    A lot of the things to being used in the gifts is new to me. But I pray to be used and have done much study and God has directed me to some great teachers about the gifts. I have that fire in my bones for Jesus to be glorified. "For thine is the Kingdom and the Power and all for Your glory" ~ there it is, it's not about me, Amen.

    As I go through the book again, I'll make some post about stuff in there. Should be some good discussions in this thread, Thx Ryp, and oh yeah, post more of them videos and some new ones if your led and tag me on Facebook with them. You never know who will be touched with them. My Brother Bill said he is coming down from South Bend Sunday to go to Church with me. He wants to get right with the Lord. Pray for him to be delivered from opioids please. If all goes well,, I'll disciple him. Asked the Lord to give him the right heart towards salvation.

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    Amen, I'll stand with you believing for your brother.

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    Amen, I'll stand with you believing for your brother.
    Ditto!

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    Amanda Grace SPECIAL LIVE: "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS MOVING" [May 7, 2021] ~ PROPHETIC MESSAGE



    On You-Tube there seems to be so many of these type of messages or folks working in the gift of knowledge and wisdom. On page 56 & 57 of the thread title.

    Lester Sumrall says: Each Gift Defined

    The nine gifts of the Spirit are as distinct as the seven lamps of the golden lampstand in the temple in Jerusalem and as individual as the nine fruit of the Spirit that blossom in our lives. Yet they are so linked and interlinked by the Holy Spirit that it is sometimes difficult to determine exactly which gift is in manifestation. At times there might be the working of miracles; at other times the gift of healing.

    For this reason I admonish you to avoid a heavy emphasis on definitions. Definitions can cause separation among people. The Devil would love to have us quarrel over definitions. Arguements can arise between two people who actually believe the same thing but are defining it differently.

    Let's be careful to be courteous and remain in love. How a person is healed- wheather through the working of miracles, the gift of healing, or the gift of faith- really is not the issue. The important thing is that he is healed.

    The following are brief one-sentence definitions of each gift of the Holy Spirit:

    The word of wisdom is the revealing of the prophetic future under the anointing of God. In the Old Testament every seer and every prophet who foretold the future was endowed with this gift. A word of God's wisdom, He gives only a fragment. The same is true with the word of knowledge.

    The word of knowledge is the revealing of a fact in existence which can only be supernaturally revealed. It cannot be seen or heard or known naturally.

    This is the difference between the word of knowledge and the word of wisdom: {1} The word of knowledge is a revelation of a fact that exists; {2} the word of wisdom is a revelation of the future. Daniel was operating in the word of wisdom when he said there would be a Persian empire, a Grecian empire and a Roman empire. At that time those empires had not been born.

    {3} The discerning of spirits has to do with the comprehending of the human spirit,, supernaturally revealed by the Holy Ghost. It is not the discerning of demons, but the discerning of the human spirit _ good and bad. With this gift, you can look straight through a person and know whether or not he is telling the truth.

    {4} The gift of faith is God's bring to pass a supernatural change. No human effort is involved. On the other hand, {5} the gift of working in miracles does not work through a human instrument. It is a person doing a supernatural act by the Devine energy of the Holy Spirit. An excellent example is Samson bare-handily killing a lion. That was a miracle.

    {6} In the gifts of healing God supernaturally heals the sick through a ministry anointed by the Holy Spirit. A person is given by the Spirit of God a gift to pray for a particular kind of sickness or disease. Remember, there are many ways to be healed. This includes only a small portion of them. There might be as many gifts as there are diseases. This is why the term is in the plural form.

    {7} The gift of tongues is the ministry of proclaiming in a public meeting a message from God in a language not understood by a person giving it. Because he has not studied that language and does not know it, he does not give it from his mind, but from his spirit.

    When a message in tongues has been given, then {8} the interpretation of tongues goes into operation. Without any mental faculties being involved, the message that has been given in another language is interpreted supernaturally by the Holy Spirit through another person.

    {9} The gift of prophecy is the anointed speaking forth of words of edification, exhortation, and comfort supernaturally given to the Church from God.

    I will go deeper into these gifts from this book as I go along in the thread.

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    About the video: The gifts of speaking in tongues we see here. She is using her prayer language. Totally in lines with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now to be publicly using in this matter, some would say it is wrong I guess.

    The gift of prophecy she is also using. Now I have questions. The lady claims to be a prophet of God from videos before she has done.
    The message here, I guess we all see what is on the news about current events. Now is God using her? I got to question, would God speak this way and repeating everything? I got to wonder about the delivery? What she says, well every Saint knows easy enough God is going to judge the world.

    She does point to some pacific things. The leader of this Nation. Folks blindness. well yes, but it is what it is. No evidence has come forth and changed anything.

    Now what she says about Israel! Amen Sister that is going to happen for sure! Israel is the Apple of God's eye! God's promise to the Seed of Abraham we Saints all know. Now is she using the gift of the Holy Spirit? Or just in knowledge of what is God's will. I any gift of prophecy being at work here? Giving God glory I see. Is this more of pump one up type of thing for them that are worried, a reassurance that God is in control. I see the good in this for sure.

    Being offended is really at work with many believers of late. Even with myself I have fought this evil spirit. But you bring things into obedience to Christ. You cast them thoughts out and get Right in yourself. So yeah I get the thought of a ministry that is spreading false hope and making a coin off it. Sure there is some Truth in here.

    Video Below: This was the first video of her I watched yesterday. At the end where the guy is giving a closing prayer. She tells of his background in the end. But his closing prayer he is praying in tongues the whole time. What am I to agree with or getting anything out of it, she does not interpret it. So in the lines of the ministry of speaking in tongues, what is going on here? Fuego, anybody some help please??????

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    About the video: The gifts of speaking in tongues we see here. She is using her prayer language. Totally in lines with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now to be publicly using in this matter, some would say it is wrong I guess.

    The gift of prophecy she is also using. Now I have questions. The lady claims to be a prophet of God from videos before she has done.
    The message here, I guess we all see what is on the news about current events. Now is God using her? I got to question, would God speak this way and repeating everything? I got to wonder about the delivery? What she says, well every Saint knows easy enough God is going to judge the world.

    She does point to some pacific things. The leader of this Nation. Folks blindness. well yes, but it is what it is. No evidence has come forth and changed anything.

    Now what she says about Israel! Amen Sister that is going to happen for sure! Israel is the Apple of God's eye! God's promise to the Seed of Abraham we Saints all know. Now is she using the gift of the Holy Spirit? Or just in knowledge of what is God's will. I any gift of prophecy being at work here? Giving God glory I see. Is this more of pump one up type of thing for them that are worried, a reassurance that God is in control. I see the good in this for sure.

    Being offended is really at work with many believers of late. Even with myself I have fought this evil spirit. But you bring things into obedience to Christ. You cast them thoughts out and get Right in yourself. So yeah I get the thought of a ministry that is spreading false hope and making a coin off it. Sure there is some Truth in here.

    Video Below: This was the first video of her I watched yesterday. At the end where the guy is giving a closing prayer. She tells of his background in the end. But his closing prayer he is praying in tongues the whole time. What am I to agree with or getting anything out of it, she does not interpret it. So in the lines of the ministry of speaking in tongues, what is going on here? Fuego, anybody some help please??????

    If no interpretation then it's just the use of devotional prayer tongue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    As being a T1D as you, there is a perspective I can add to this. The Holy Spirit can speak through a donkey when needed. You are full of the Spirit and God's beloved, not a beast. The Holy Spirit can move in the prophetic realm unhindered by the human condition though the "human" may have difficulty at certain points of the process. What you spoke was indeed a prophecy of the declarative nature. You spoke into the future. You saw something up ahead, grabbed ahold of it and spoke it as a reality. Learn to develop that without rushing into it trying to make it happen.

    The video, I enjoyed it. There is something he said toward the beginning about moving in gifts, not possessing them per se. You can move in a gift and seemingly not move in that gift again, but the Lord moved and you yielded. We were not taught that in 1980-85 when the Church was focused on Gifts. We were taught that you had a primary gift, it was yours. Also that only Jesus had all the Gifts and moved in them. Yes, He did, glory to God. One time I said (facebook) as a point of teaching that God has used me in all the Gifts. I was pretty much treated as a heretic. She thought the Gifts were given, they are ours. Of course she was wrong and the Lord tried to use me to lift her to a higher plane of yieldedness and faith. I love moving in the Gifts because Jesus is glorified in them.

    Here is another. The Gifts of Healing are often misconstrued. One lady in the church wanted to come in and speak with me. She was in need of healing and we often prayed for her. She is very troubled by demons but will not submit to God. As we spoke on healing she blurts out "how can you get anybody healed when you have diabetes?". Discernment, the distinguishing between spirits went off in me when she said that. I told her that God delights in using me in that Gift because I glorify Jesus in it, this is not about me. Now, if she wanted to repent of her sin (which she rebelled against God in) she could have been healed and set free. She and husband ended up getting a divorce and each shacking up, all the while claiming they were saved. Faith is so critical for our moving in the Gifts but how much moreso our obedience to risk our looking foolish and just yielding to Him.
    I always say the Gifts use me, I don't use the Gifts. I just prepare myself to be used when He wants to use someone. 2 Timothy 2: 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

    21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

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