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Originally Posted by
A.J.
And that's my question. Doesn't a vagal response happen almost immediately, rather than 15-20 min later?
Why are you asking those pesky questions!?
The last I heard the nurse was sent to the ICU but something tells me we'll never know what happened. I don't think fainting gets you a trip to the ICU.
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Originally Posted by
Nikos
I am going to take the vaccine.
The worst thing that could happen is that I would die and go to Heaven!!!
But how long would it take to die? What if you suffer permanent paralysis?
And you live for years with a partial loss or function in part of your body. What if the vaccine affects your central nervous system to the point you experience a paraplegic episode in your body for the long term.
What if you would have to spend the next 20 years in a nursing care facility, immobilized because you couldn't care for yourself?
Sure, death would be easy, if it was immediate. But if the side affects of the vaccine cause prolonged suffering for years, would you still be so adamant on taking it?
Sorry Nikos, you can roll the dice with your life, but I can't take that kind of risk with an unproven vaccine that could be extremely harmful to ones life in the long term.
No doubt, someone will say, Oh, "I will trust God for his protection." What about using some wisdom, or not tempting the Lord. If there are shark signs all over the beach warning not to swim in the ocean and you go swimming anyways, don't blame God for not protecting you if you get eaten alive. Just some thoughts to weigh in on why not to take the vaccine, or at least prolong it as long as possible.
If you put God First, you have Him at Last.
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Originally Posted by
tschau
good question,
there are some people who faint when getting a needle. They can not controll that, but with some patience, friendly talking, distraction, gentle care and understanding you can ( i am talking about dialysis) help people get "used" to it without fainting. This was somehing I always loved to do, because you really can work with your own personality and you can connect to the patient in a deeper way.
I do not how much then is a vagal response, it is fear based and fear causes several reactions in the body, also by producing hormons etc
Let me give an example of one patient I had. It was not verv easy to put the needles in, but it was from his reaction ok. Sometimes the flow was not sufficient and then you try to position the needle better. Usually that does not hurt so much. After several occasions of quick/strong dropping of blood pressure we realized that this happens several minutes later after manipulating the needle. From then on we rather let the flow be lower, causing a less good dialysis than risking bigger problems. The first few times we did not realize the connection because of the several minutes inbetween.
I have known a few patients where is was less extrem, but you had to start dialysis slowly, giving extra fluid etc in the beginning because the punction of the venes made the blood pressure etc very unstable, usually after a half an hour the body has calmed down and you could go to full treatement.
Why some people are much more sensitiv to this I do not know, they can not controll this and so many times they are embarrassed about their reactions.
Maybe something similar is a shock reaction. Several years ago I has a accident with my bike, well, I was hit by a teenager girl who turned suddently to cross the street. I landed head ahead on the street(Gladly wearing a helm) First I said a few unprintable words, then I got up and took care of that girl ( the nurse kicked in) and then went to get what I was going out for. I was doing well in my eyes. About 15 min later when I was in a shop walking up a stair I begann to shake and experience the falling of the blood pressure etc. I nearly fainted and returned home as quick as I could.
so, I would say that it can happen 15 min later, this is very individual.
Interesting. I never am troubled by needles of any kind, in fact I prefer to watch them go in... but last Oct when I fell and broke my wrist, I experienced the shock reaction about 20 min after the fall. I started to shiver and they put a blanket over me as we waited for the ambulance. It was in a convenience store and someone went and got a package of toilet paper for me to use as a pillow.
My sister fell a couple years ago and I don't know when the shock kicked in, but she fell when crossing a street, got herself up and drove home. Her son took her to the hospital and it was a very bad break needing surgery, a plate and pins. I never thought to ask her when the shock kicked in.
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Originally Posted by
John
The last I heard the nurse was sent to the ICU but something tells me we'll never know what happened. I don't think fainting gets you a trip to the ICU.
Nothing suspicious about that.
I hope she recovers.
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Originally Posted by
GodismyJudge
She said that it's 'not uncommon' for her, but with her being a nurse wouldn't that compromise her safety and the safety of patients if she has a history of suddenly passing out? I mean would they allow someone with that condition to do any type of nursing duties?
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So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Apparently she has survived. Claims she's passed out 6 times in the past six weeks, totally normal.
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Originally Posted by
John
Apparently she has survived. Claims she's passed out 6 times in the past six weeks, totally normal.
So why would they pick her for the interview/statement?
Maybe she's another crisis actor?
Maybe this is part of the game? ... make it look like a bad reaction and then "help" to let people know it's "not dangerous."
She can pass out from a hangnail???
puh-lease!!
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Originally Posted by
krystian
She said that it's 'not uncommon' for her, but with her being a nurse wouldn't that compromise her safety and the safety of patients if she has a history of suddenly passing out? I mean would they allow someone with that condition to do any type of nursing duties?
Originally Posted by
A.J.
So why would they pick her for the interview/statement?
Seriously.
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flower planter
Originally Posted by
krystian
She said that it's 'not uncommon' for her, but with her being a nurse wouldn't that compromise her safety and the safety of patients if she has a history of suddenly passing out? I mean would they allow someone with that condition to do any type of nursing duties?
Originally Posted by
John
Apparently she has survived. Claims she's passed out 6 times in the past six weeks, totally normal.
Originally Posted by
fuego
Seriously.
...and she works in CCU with that condition??
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So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Originally Posted by
krystian
...and she works in CCU with that condition??
Everybody passes out once a week, what's the big deal?
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