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    The headline of the original post is misleading by the way. They are using a staff that's inspired by the wizard Gandalf but they aren't doing an incantation. It's per definition not since what is spoken is "in Jesus' mighty name".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
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    I don't know where Che Anh gets his idea that such a decree can only be made by an apostle. I doubt that he can find that in the Bible. That's a small detail though.

    I agree with you but also believe it's more than a small detail to say only a apostle can make such a decree - that leans towards Catholicism where only priests can do certain things.
    The scriptures says.... "In my name you will cast out demons".... If you believe all things are possible not if you are an apostle and believe

    I believe in apostles and prophets and there is given authority to operate but man has a way of turning the gifts and blessings into a form of hierarchy - the danger is spiritual pride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The headline of the original post is misleading by the way. They are using a staff that's inspired by the wizard Gandalf but they aren't doing an incantation. It's per definition not since what is spoken is "in Jesus' mighty name".
    Do you think they're magic words that make everything OK?

    This is one of the reasons I added the same reference into the RC post, they throw the name of Jesus around all the time, throw in nice sounding Scriptures, etc. but that doesn't make any of it OK, or Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I agree with you but also believe it's more than a small detail to say only a apostle can make such a decree - that leans towards Catholicism where only priests can do certain things.
    The scriptures says.... "In my name you will cast out demons".... If you believe all things are possible not if you are an apostle and believe

    I believe in apostles and prophets and there is given authority to operate but man has a way of turning the gifts and blessings into a form of hierarchy - the danger is spiritual pride
    I agree that it's probably too much but the concept seems to be a declaration that affects racism in the country as a whole or at least among believers in the country as a whole. I'm not sure if that is even possible but then I don't know everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Do you think they're magic words that make everything OK?

    This is one of the reasons I added the same reference into the RC post, they throw the name of Jesus around all the time, throw in nice sounding Scriptures, etc. but that doesn't make any of it OK, or Christian.
    So if there's some error or something questionable in the declaration then it doesn't matter that it's spoken in Jesus' name, the presence of error all of a sudden makes the whole thing Satanic ?

    John 7:24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment

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    "oiling doors" is explained here :

    Anointing Your Home With Oil - Bethel Colony of Mercy

    "In order to keep the death angel from coming in to kill their first-borns, the LORD had His people anoint the doorposts and lintels of their homes with the blood of the Passover Lamb. (Exodus 12) Evil spirits do not need a door to enter a home. They can pass through any wall. But, the door is symbolic of an opening. We have many openings in our homes such as doors, windows, fireplaces, air ducts, etc. Since there are no more blood sacrifices, the counterpart of the blood today is the anointing oil."

    It's not actually the same Bethel but that should mean that the idea is common outside of that particular direction of Charismaticism.

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    So if there's some error or something questionable in the declaration then it doesn't matter that it's spoken in Jesus' name, the presence of error all of a sudden makes the whole thing Satanic ?
    No, but adding "in the name of Jesus Christ" to the end of something doesn't make it "all right".

    The link I posted was from 2 weeks ago. I looked at the web site to see if there was anything to report on their "bid to end racism within Bethel and the Ekklesia movement". Just as with KC's web site when he claimed to prophesy over Covid-19 and destroy it I found nothing. With the demon cast out there should be no more racism at Bethel. Why isn't it being celebrated? Nothing Colonel and that should NOT be a surprise to you. But why is there nothing? We have an "apostle" and a "prophetess" who received a "prophetic vision regarding a prophetic act". Then they cast the demon out. If it was a "prophetic vision regarding a prophetic act" why not celebrate the results? (hint: the obvious answer might be the right one).

    If this had been an isolated incident ... but we had the incident in December when Olive, the two year old daughter of Andrew and Kalley Heiligenthal died. People were asked to pray, but the first question anyone asked us about the Bethel Healing School where "you will be inspired, trained, equipped, and launched into a lifestyle of healing and miracles". Why not just go there?

    Some of the theology in their songs has been questioned.

    While searching Bethel I found their "Offering Reading" page. Check out this. Apparently they pray this at offertory time. And they publish it!!!!!:
    I am powerful
    And what I believe changes the world
    So today I declare

    God is in a good mood
    He loves me all the time
    Nothing can separate me from His love
    Jesus' blood paid for everything
    I will tell nations of what He has done

    I am important
    How He made me is amazing
    I was designed for worship
    My mouth establishes praise to silence the enemy
    Everywhere I go becomes a perfect-health zone
    And with God

    Nothing is impossible!

    IMO folk should give thought to anything that comes out of Bethel. There may be lots of good stuff, but some of it seems way off.

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    This notion that we have the corner of the knowledge of how God works and who God is really scares a lot of people. Because, when God moves in a way we do not understand, or says something we actually are challenged by, we immediately attack and belittle it and the people God uses. This hyper-critical spiritual bullying is not acceptable. It is nothing short of a self righteous attitude, and has no place in the search of God, in the walk with God. The original poster on here has repeated the words, but has not understood the spirit behind what was and is happening at Bethel. Soften your heart. Quit finding demons and thinking you have the corner on God. Jesus said you will know them by their fruit. I have had to apologies to much of the Charismatic community in the past, because I allowed my self righteousness immediately think I knew all about God and was some master of discerning exactly what God was doing. I was wrong. I was so wrong, and now, I began a search of God, to know Him, and what all He requires. Saying that to say this, we do not have the corner on what God is doing. The fruit will manifest. While people attack Bethel, attack Hillsong, attack their success, they are helping millions throughout the world come to Christ, come to the Father, and seeing the lives lived, I see the good fruit. They are my brothers and sisters. So, can we stop this nonsense, especially from those who deny the continued supernatural, the continue manifesting of the gifts, deny that God still does signs & wonders? Please recieve this in the spirit in which it was written.

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    ... Jesus said you will know them by their fruit. ... The fruit will manifest. ... I see the good fruit. ...
    Unfortunately Bill I have also seen fruit.

    Some old guys have coffee occasionally. One's probably late 80's. First came to our church in his mid 60's. Recently he said that our pastor preaches the Gospel every week. We just went a year without hearing the word sin; over nine months without taking communion. I doubt if he actually knows what the Gospel is. Is he "good fruit"?

    Or the girl specifically hired by the senior pastor to help him in his SJ days (he called her a SJW which I suspect she is. Her FB description includes "mystic" and "feminist"). She was probably responsible for bring a speaker to our church who supports same sex marriage. Gone now, but now she has nose piercings, tattoos, and uses the f word in FB posts about the marriage. Is she "good fruit"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Unfortunately Bill I have also seen fruit.

    Some old guys have coffee occasionally. One's probably late 80's. First came to our church in his mid 60's. Recently he said that our pastor preaches the Gospel every week. We just went a year without hearing the word sin; over nine months without taking communion. I doubt if he actually knows what the Gospel is. Is he "good fruit"?

    Or the girl specifically hired by the senior pastor to help him in his SJ days (he called her a SJW which I suspect she is. Her FB description includes "mystic" and "feminist"). She was probably responsible for bring a speaker to our church who supports same sex marriage. Gone now, but now she has nose piercings, tattoos, and uses the f word in FB posts about the marriage. Is she "good fruit"?
    That's just one church and it's also not related to anything presently being discussed here.

    I could mention some Calvinists that I talked to online 20 years ago. One was a woman who was cohabiting but the other Calvinists didn't care, apparently because she was a Calvinist like them. Another Calvinist linked a homepage and when I went to its front page there were instructions about a pyramid scheme - which was illegal. I mentioned it on the forum and he deleted the page without commenting on it. So does that mean that Calvinists produce bad fruit in general ?

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