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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I posted this elsewhere but it seems appropriate for here:

    How do I know if I have truly believed and am saved?

    You confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and trust in Him by faith (Romans 10:9)
    You confess sin; no longer indifferent towards it (1 John 1:9)
    Habitual patterns of sin are decreasing and fading (1 Cor. 6:11; 2 Cor. 5:17)
    You desire to be obedient to Christ (James 1:22)
    Your love for others is increasing (1 John 3:14)
    You hunger for God's word (1 Peter 2:2)
    You are filled with a desire to see others saved (2 Cor. 5:18-20)
    You love to serve the body of Christ with good works (Eph. 2:10; 1 Peter 4:7-11)
    You experience the discipline of God (Hebrews 12:6-8; Romans 1:18-32; Psalm 11:5)
    You are bearing the fruit of the Spirit; persevering to the end (Luke 6:43; Galatians 5:22)
    What about Romans 6:4, Gal. 2:20. I see so much religion and dead Christianity in people who have not experienced the real death of their sinful old man in the body of Jesus, graphically portrayed to them. The works that come out that experiential revelation are powerful. Without it, there is powerlessness. Not trying to make an argument, but I see a glaring fundamental experience missing from this list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muriel View Post
    What about Romans 6:4, Gal. 2:20. I see so much religion and dead Christianity in people who have not experienced the real death of their sinful old man in the body of Jesus, graphically portrayed to them. The works that come out that experiential revelation are powerful. Without it, there is powerlessness. Not trying to make an argument, but I see a glaring fundamental experience missing from this list.
    I especially like Romans 6:4

    "Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

    A New Birth bears immediate signs of New Life. As in the natural, babies are noisy about their living and the newly Born-again believer has that 2 Cor 5:17 "behold, all things are become new". The old is dead, the newness of Christ living in you must be nutured by moms and dads in the faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    I especially like Romans 6:4

    "Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

    A New Birth bears immediate signs of New Life. As in the natural, babies are noisy about their living and the newly Born-again believer has that 2 Cor 5:17 "behold, all things are become new". The old is dead, the newness of Christ living in you must be nutured by moms and dads in the faith.
    I like this. Especially the word "immediate."

    There are tares growing along with the wheat. God will do the separating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    An interesting book to read is "The Unsaved Christian". There are many in churches that have never experienced being born-again and discipled through relationships (versus cookie cutter curriculum).
    Many if not most of Finney's converts were church goers. He called them 'professing Christians'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Many if not most of Finney's converts were church goers. He called them 'professing Christians'.
    The Apostle Paul made only one mention of the term "false brethren" in the list of his perils found in 2 Cor 11 yet in no way limits the numbers of what we see today. I believe that to mean "professing christians":

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    Christian Band Hawk Nelson Responds To Lead Singer's Newfound Atheism
    By Paul Bois
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    Christian Band Hawk Nelson Responds To Lead Singer’s Newfound Atheism | The Daily Wire


    Members of the Christian band Hawk Nelson have responded to lead singer Jon Steingard's recent shocking confession that he no longer believes in God.

    In a statement to Fox News on Wednesday, the band said that they have always considered Steingard a best friend and have no ill will toward him.

    "God is still for Jon and he still matters ... that truth doesn't change just because we question it," bandmates Daniel Biro, David Niacaris, and Micah Kuiper said. "One of our best friends, one with whom we have walked, worked and lived alongside for 20-plus years revealed some of his innermost feelings on his faith journey this past week."

    "We are called to love one another unconditionally, as God loves us," the band said while noting that their mission is "to inspire and encourage all people with the truth that God is for them and not against them."

    The band then cited Romans 8:38, which says that nothing in all creation can separate us from the love of God. "I am convinced that nothing can separate us from God's love ... nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord," it said.

    "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved," the band concluded. "Ever thankful and grateful for how God has used this band, the music and the relationships and how He continues to do so."

    In a lengthy Instagram post last week, Steingard said always had an inherent problem with Evangelical Christian culture, even as a child growing up in a pastor's home, which then blossomed into a problem with the Bible itself as he grew into adulthood.


    "I remember being uncomfortable with certain things," he said in his youth. "Praying in public always felt like some kind of weird performance art. Emotional cries such as 'Holy Spirit come fill this place' always felt clunky and awkward leaving my lips. A youth conference I attended encouraged every team to sign a pledge that they would 'date Jesus' for a year. It felt manipulative and unsettling to me. I didn't sign it."

    Despite those concerns in his youth, he still ended up pursuing music and genuinely found some peace with the band Hawk Nelson. However, as time grew on, Steingard increasingly had trouble with the concept of evil.

    "If God is all loving, and all powerful, why is there evil in the world? Can you not do anything about it? Does he choose not to? Is the evil in the world a result of his desire to give us free will? OK then what about famine and disease and floods and all the suffering that isn't caused by humans in our free will? If God is loving, why does he send people to hell?" were all questions that plagued him.


    I've been terrified to post this for a while – but it feels like it's time for me to be honest. I hope this is not the end of the conversation, but the beginning. I hope this is encouraging to people who might feel the same but are as afraid to speak as I am. I want to be open. I want to be transparent with you all – and also open to having my heart changed in the future. I am not looking for a debate at all – just a chance to share my story in the hopes some good can come from it. I love you all.










    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muriel View Post
    What about Romans 6:4, Gal. 2:20. I see so much religion and dead Christianity in people who have not experienced the real death of their sinful old man in the body of Jesus, graphically portrayed to them. The works that come out that experiential revelation are powerful. Without it, there is powerlessness. Not trying to make an argument, but I see a glaring fundamental experience missing from this list.
    I agree. I'm not sure where I got that list from. Mortification is a missing word these days.

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    However, as time grew on, Steingard increasingly had trouble with the concept of evil.
    "If God is all loving, and all powerful, why is there evil in the world? Can you not do anything about it? Does he choose not to? Is the evil in the world a result of his desire to give us free will? OK then what about famine and disease and floods and all the suffering that isn't caused by humans in our free will? If God is loving, why does he send people to hell?" were all questions that plagued him.
    Questions that always get asked and for which there have always been answers. Shepherds who shepherd their flocks preempt these questions and address them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I posted this elsewhere but it seems appropriate for here:

    How do I know if I have truly believed and am saved?

    You confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and trust in Him by faith (Romans 10:9)
    You confess sin; no longer indifferent towards it (1 John 1:9)
    Habitual patterns of sin are decreasing and fading (1 Cor. 6:11; 2 Cor. 5:17)
    You desire to be obedient to Christ (James 1:22)
    Your love for others is increasing (1 John 3:14)
    You hunger for God's word (1 Peter 2:2)
    You are filled with a desire to see others saved (2 Cor. 5:18-20)
    You love to serve the body of Christ with good works (Eph. 2:10; 1 Peter 4:7-11)
    You experience the discipline of God (Hebrews 12:6-8; Romans 1:18-32; Psalm 11:5)
    You are bearing the fruit of the Spirit; persevering to the end (Luke 6:43; Galatians 5:22)
    Yes! I'd like to share this myself!
    When your praise match your prayers, the answer will come.
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    Christian Band Hawk Nelson Responds To Lead Singer's Newfound Atheism
    By Paul Bois
    DailyWire.com
    Christian Band Hawk Nelson Responds To Lead Singer's Newfound Atheism | The Daily Wire

    "If God is all loving, and all powerful, why is there evil in the world? Can you not do anything about it? Does he choose not to? Is the evil in the world a result of his desire to give us free will? OK then what about famine and disease and floods and all the suffering that isn't caused by humans in our free will? If God is loving, why does he send people to hell?" were all questions that plagued him.



    That sounds like going down the Carlton Pearson path of The Gospel of Inclusion...

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