Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11

Thread: Snowden warns that measures introduced to combat Covid-19 facilitate "architecture of oppression"

  1. #1

    Snowden warns that measures introduced to combat Covid-19 facilitate "architecture of oppression"

    Edward Snowden, the whistleblower who exposed our government's mass surveillance programs, has warned that measures introduced by a variety of governments to combat Covid-19 will facilitate an "architecture of oppression" in which the new powers granted might not be rescinded and may eventually be abused.

    My opinion is that for the most part, these new measures are well-intentioned efforts to limit the spread of the virus. However, I agree with Mr. Snowden that once in place, these measures will be difficult to remove. And even if they are removed, the precedent for their usage will have been established, meaning that it will be easier to institute similar policies in the future in situations where the rationale is not so clear.

    From an interview with Vice TV:
    As authoritarianism spreads, as emergency laws proliferate, as we sacrifice our rights, we also sacrifice our capability to arrest the slide into a less liberal and less free world. Do you truly believe that when the first wave, this second wave, the 16th wave of the coronavirus is a long-forgotten memory, that these capabilities will not be kept? That these datasets will not be kept?

    Will those capabilities begin to be applied to small-time criminality, for political analysis, for doing things like performing a census, political polling.

    No matter how it is being used, what is being built is the architecture of oppression. And you might trust who is dealing with it today. You might trust who runs it. You don't care about Mark Zuckerberg. But someone else will have this data eventually, some other country. In your country, a different president will have this data eventually. And someone will abuse it.
    Edward Snowden: Governments Using Coronavirus To Build Global "Architecture Of Oppression" | Video | RealClearPolitics


    From article regarding Snowden's interview for the Copenhagen Documentary Film Festival
    During a video-conference interview for the Copenhagen Documentary Film Festival, Snowden said that, theoretically, new powers introduced by states to combat the coronavirus outbreak could remain in place after the crisis has subsided.

    Fear of the virus and its spread to potentially could mean governments "send an order to every fitness tracker that can get something like pulse or heart rate," and demand access to that data, Snowden said.

    "Five years later the coronavirus is gone, this data's still available to them — they start looking for new things," Snowden said. "They already know what you're looking at on the internet, they already know where your phone is moving, now they know what your heart rate is. What happens when they start to intermix these and apply artificial intelligence to them?" Snowden added.

    The article goes on to cite examples of government policies that represent new levels of surveillance.
    Numerous European countries including Italy, the UK, and Germany have struck up deals with telecoms companies to use anonymous, aggregated data to create virtual heat maps of people's movements.

    Israel granted its spy services emergency powers to hack citizens' phones without a warrant, South Korea has been sending out text alerts to warn people when they may have been in contact with a coronavirus patient including personal details like age and gender. Singapore is using a smartphone app to monitor the spread of the coronavirus by tracking people who may have been exposed.

    In Poland citizens under quarantine have to download a government app that mandates they respond to periodic requests for selfies, and Taiwan has introduced an "electronic fence" system which alerts the police if quarantined patients move outside their house.

    Edward Snowden warns COVID-19 could give governments invasive new data collection powers that will last long after the pandemic | Markets Insider

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to njtom For This Useful Post:

    Lindaeverchanging (04-19-2020)

  3. #2
    All that changed all over the world in a matter of days.... who would of ever thought something like this would take place let alone so suddenly all around the world. Shut downs, stay in, don't _____, do ____, can't ____ etc. I heard a pastor I know say," just follow what they say to do".

    Hmmm. Do what "they" tell us to do. What down the road when we are supposed to be getting back to "normal" will they tell us to keep doing? The governors who think they own us in all they are doing and saying, what is their real agenda? How many Christians or who call themselves believers are going to do what "they tell us to do"?

    I remember in the 70's seeing the Left Behind movies and I had no idea what it was about because in the Catholic Church I had never heard of such a thing. I was just afraid of God and the end of the world. Being born again, knowing differently now........

    Snowden and all he told, having to go into hiding because he spoke out against the agenda of those who want to control and push their agenda to take over all. Others who have been on the list of dead by supposedly the Clinton's hit list as it is called because they knew things that could incriminate.

    I still never thought the things going on that it would be like this at all. So suddenly and look, churches closed; so many Christians in other countries being murdered by Islam "extremists" and ignored by the "news media"; close up; and I won't go into Bill Gates and his agenda's; the true news is manipulated and twisted to play into a agenda to take down and take over and so much more.

    Suddenly world wide we are told to close up, isolate, do this, in places get arrested if you don't..... hmmmmm.....

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Lindaeverchanging For This Useful Post:

    A.J. (04-19-2020)

  5. #3
    How many Christians or who call themselves believers are going to do what "they tell us to do"?
    Me,
    I understand what the gouvernment tells me to do,
    as a nurse I understand a little about about epidemic
    and I am willing to take care.
    My gouvernment is not hindering me in worship or faith, I just to have to adapt, and I am able to do that.

  6. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to tschau For This Useful Post:

    A.J. (04-19-2020), curly sue (04-20-2020), Lindaeverchanging (04-19-2020)

  7. #4
    I agree, we have to adapt and take care, but also, but to have so suddenly the state governors who are as here where I live run with the control this and that.

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to Lindaeverchanging For This Useful Post:

    tschau (04-19-2020)

  9. #5
    My problem is, that I hear christians fighting against this and that,
    what I would love to see is,
    that we roll up our sleeves, spit in our hands and start to work
    work = showing Gods love to thoose in need
    Here i can see that some people have a hard time emotionally to feel locked in, so I can care for them and love them by calling and encouraging them
    My second daughter is a high risk person so I can accept her choice to stay in
    I have started to sew for the nursery where my youngest daughter works with patients with demetia. They can not receive visits so I am trying to bring some color into their lives
    etc
    AND i am aware that gouvernments can make undemocratic decisions, like for example in Hungary.
    I am not so afraid that MrTrump gets overruled by the democrats.

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to tschau For This Useful Post:

    Lindaeverchanging (04-19-2020)

  11. #6
    Numerous European countries including Italy, the UK, and Germany have struck up deals with telecoms companies to use anonymous, aggregated data to create virtual heat maps of people's movements.
    I have no idea about the other countries,
    but in Germany you can by your own choice register for some anonymous data collecting. Nobody is forced.
    Here in Switzerland they are also talking about using data to study how they virus was spreading. What you have to giving, if you want to participate, is gender, zip code and (i am not sure) age
    In countries like South Korea or Taiwan it is different, they are collectin from everybody data, but in both those countries people are agreeing with this. It is a different culture.

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to tschau For This Useful Post:

    Lindaeverchanging (04-19-2020)

  13. #7
    I do not want what the democrats want for America. I agree with you Heidi on helping people, giving love and all of that. I don't like going into stores and no one smiles, says hi, they look at you with fear. I need to make 3 masks in a bit for some friends. I went online to AB Nurse and followed the measurements for a pattern. Simple, easy to sew. I have not charged for making them and make them for those I know or who know I sew. People do need to wake up as to what is being done like mapping where you go, so much more in that area by the states and government. I am not in fear, I just do not like the control of the governors who think they own us. We really need to pay attention and that here means not the usual news media and what they put out but look and research instead. That is why I am against the democrats.

  14. #8
    Senior Member Smitty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Location
    Everett, Washington
    Posts
    1,629
    Thanked: 1786
    Blog Entries
    1
    When a vaccine is produced to combat COVID-19, will we be offered a choice to take it, or reject it?
    What if it is unlawful to refuse the vaccine?
    What if the vaccine is mandatory, and choice is not an option.
    What if you need proof that you had the vaccine administered in order to hold a job?
    What if you would need a vaccine ID card in order to function in society? Or be forced to indefinite quarantine by government authorities at a place of their choosing for refusal to comply. Can anyone see where this could be going? I know there are a lot of "if"s here, but our personal rights and freedoms could be on the chopping block. The COVID-19 virus could be used to force restrictions upon us (more severe than what's in place now) if there are forced vaccines put into law. Failure to comply could result with incarceration (quarantine) at a detention facility.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

  15. #9
    Senior Member Romans828's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    7th Heaven
    Posts
    3,643
    Thanked: 3222

    Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    When a vaccine is produced to combat COVID-19, will we be offered a choice to take it, or reject it?
    What if it is unlawful to refuse the vaccine?
    What if the vaccine is mandatory, and choice is not an option.
    As someone who has "underlying conditions" (Asthma) - But also as someone who is NOT crazy about taking any kind of vaccines, this is a real concern for me.

  16. #10
    Senior Member Nikos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    12,927
    Thanked: 7617
    Blog Entries
    49
    I do not like these controls that we have today. Our freedom is gone when we start to submit to them. Control is a term that we need to be alarmed about. Far left libs love controls. Control is key in Socialism. Study the spirit of Jezebel in the Bible and you find a controlling spirit. Power and Deception goes along with it IMO

  17. The Following User Says Thank You to Nikos For This Useful Post:

    Lindaeverchanging (04-20-2020)

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •