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    Wuhan Virus Ventilator Fraud - Medical Mafia

    Hospitals Get Paid More to List Patients as COVID-19 and Three Times as Much if the Patient Goes on Ventilator

    Dr. Jensen also disclosed that hospitals are paid more if they list patients with a COVID-19 diagnosis.
    And hospitals get paid THREE TIMES AS MUCH if the patient then goes on a ventilator.


    Hospitals Get Paid More to List Patients as COVID-19 and Three Times as Much if the Patient Goes on Ventilator (VIDEO) | The Spectator | Truth Conquers All

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    I also saw an article where they're telling them to list all deaths as due to the virus.

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    80% of NYC's coronavirus patients who are put on ventilators ultimately die, and some doctors are trying to stop using them

    New York City officials have said at least 80% of coronavirus patients who were put on ventilators there ultimately died, the AP reported. New York state has the most confirmed coronavirus cases and deaths in the US.

    There have also been reports of unusually high death rates among patients on ventilators elsewhere in the US and in China and the UK, the AP said.
    80% NYC COVID-19 ventilator patients die, doctors want to stop using - Business Insider

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    What happens if they don't get ventilators ? Same result just more agony ?

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    According to a few articles I've read, it seems that Covid-19 affects the lungs differently than other viruses, making the use of mechanical ventilators less warranted. Covid-19 severely reduces blood oxygen to levels that for other diseases would trigger the use of ventilation, but without a comparable impact on breathing ability.

    The articles cite doctors who state that Covid-19 sufferers present with symptoms suggestive of high altitude sickness rather than pneumonia.

    In a letter last week in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, researchers in Germany and Italy said their Covid-19 patients were unlike any others with acute respiratory distress. Their lungs are relatively elastic ("compliant"), a sign of health "in sharp contrast to expectations for severe ARDS." Their low blood oxygen might result from things that ventilators don't fix. Such patients need "the lowest possible [air pressure] and gentle ventilation," they said, arguing against increasing the pressure even if blood oxygen levels remain low. "We need to be patient."

    "We need to ask, are we using ventilators in a way that makes sense for other diseases but not for this one?" Gillick said. "Instead of asking how do we ration a scarce resource, we should be asking how do we best treat this disease?"

    Researchers and clinicians on the front lines are trying. In a small study last week in Annals of Intensive Care, physicians who treated Covid-19 patients at two hospitals in China found that the majority of patients needed no more than a nasal cannula. Among the 41% who needed more intense breathing support, none was put on a ventilator right away. Instead, they were given noninvasive devices such as BiPAP; their blood oxygen levels "significantly improved" after an hour or two. (Eventually two of seven needed to be intubated.) The researchers concluded that the more comfortable nasal cannula is just as good as BiPAP and that a middle ground is as safe for Covid-19 patients as quicker use of a ventilator.

    "Anecdotal experience from Italy [also suggests] that they were able to support a number of folks using these [non-invasive] methods," Japa said.

    To be "more nuanced about who we intubate," as she suggests, starts with questioning the significance of oxygen saturation levels. Those levels often "look beyond awful," said Scott Weingart, a critical care physician in New York and host of the "EMCrit" podcast. But many can speak in full sentences, don't report shortness of breath, and have no signs of the heart or other organ abnormalities that hypoxia can cause.

    "The patients in front of me are unlike any I've ever seen," Kyle-Sidell told Medscape about those he cared for in a hard-hit Brooklyn hospital. "They looked a lot more like they had altitude sickness than pneumonia."

    Because U.S. data on treating Covid-19 patients are nearly nonexistent, health care workers are flying blind when it comes to caring for such confounding patients. But anecdotally, Weingart said, "we've had a number of people who improved and got off CPAP or high flow [nasal cannulas] who would have been tubed 100 out of 100 times in the past." What he calls "this knee-jerk response" of putting people on ventilators if their blood oxygen levels remain low with noninvasive devices "is really bad. ... I think these patients do much, much worse on the ventilator."

    That could be because the ones who get intubated are the sickest, he said, "but that has not been my experience: It makes things worse as a direct result of the intubation." High levels of force and oxygen levels, both in quest of restoring oxygen saturation levels to normal, can injure the lungs. "I would do everything in my power to avoid intubating patients," Weingart said.

    One reason Covid-19 patients can have near-hypoxic levels of blood oxygen without the usual gasping and other signs of impairment is that their blood levels of carbon dioxide, which diffuses into air in the lungs and is then exhaled, remain low. That suggests the lungs are still accomplishing the critical job of removing carbon dioxide even if they're struggling to absorb oxygen. That, too, is reminiscent of altitude sickness more than pneumonia.

    The noninvasive devices "can provide some amount of support for breathing and oxygenation, without needing a ventilator," said ICU physician and pulmonologist Lakshman Swamy of Boston Medical Center.

    Ventilators are overused for Covid-19 patients, doctors say - STAT

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    Among those who had to be placed on ventilators, 12 percent of the overall population of COVID-19 patients, that death rate jumped to 88 percent, according to the study.

    The study's authors cautioned that those percentages could change since of the 5,700 patients they examined, final outcomes were known for just 2,634 as many remained hospitalized at the time of publication.
    Large majority of coronavirus patients on ventilators in major NY health system died, researchers say | TheHill

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    I am also following the medical reports and studies.
    At the beginning there was little known about covid-19. The longer the more we get to understand hat is happening in the body. For example it is probablly not the ventilators that are "killing", but rather problems with the blood clotting. Next week we will know even more.
    That is why we need serious studies and not only opinions.
    Of course, knowing what we do today and blaming docs for what they did 10 days ago is not fair.
    I am sure when we look back in 2-3 months we will be able to say what helped and what did not, but I hope we can do it with respect for those doing their best and, unfortunatly, risking their lifes.


    Even before 2020 many patients on ventilators died. That does not mean tthe ventilator kills them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tschau View Post
    I am also following the medical reports and studies.
    At the beginning there was little known about covid-19. The longer the more we get to understand hat is happening in the body. For example it is probablly not the ventilators that are "killing", but rather problems with the blood clotting. Next week we will know even more.
    That is why we need serious studies and not only opinions.
    Of course, knowing what we do today and blaming docs for what they did 10 days ago is not fair.
    I am sure when we look back in 2-3 months we will be able to say what helped and what did not, but I hope we can do it with respect for those doing their best and, unfortunatly, risking their lifes.


    Even before 2020 many patients on ventilators died. That does not mean tthe ventilator kills them.
    The problem is that there is a far more sinister agenda with this "virus". It's been known for some time now that the issue with oxygen is that the blood cells themselves, the things that carry oxygen are impaired, not the lungs. Patients need oxygen but NOT ventilators under high pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tschau View Post
    I am also following the medical reports and studies.
    At the beginning there was little known about covid-19. The longer the more we get to understand hat is happening in the body. For example it is probablly not the ventilators that are "killing", but rather problems with the blood clotting. Next week we will know even more.
    That is why we need serious studies and not only opinions.
    Of course, knowing what we do today and blaming docs for what they did 10 days ago is not fair.
    I am sure when we look back in 2-3 months we will be able to say what helped and what did not, but I hope we can do it with respect for those doing their best and, unfortunatly, risking their lifes.


    Even before 2020 many patients on ventilators died. That does not mean tthe ventilator kills them.
    The problem is that there are far more sinister agendas with this "virus" both political and profit motivated. It's been known for some time now that the issue with oxygen is that the blood cells themselves, the things that carry oxygen are impaired, not the lungs. Patients need oxygen but NOT ventilators under high pressure.

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