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    Shocking! Stanley Milgram Faked Results From One of the Most Famous Experiments Ever


    Shocking! Stanley Milgram Faked Results From One of the Most Famous Experiments Ever
    By Tom Gilson Published on November 19, 2019
    Shocking! Stanley Milgram Faked Results From One of the Most Famous Experiments Ever | The Stream

    It's one of the most famous and most influential psych experiments ever.

    Now we're learning it was bogus.

    Sixty-plus years ago, Yale University professor Stanley Milgram used a fake shock-torture setup to show that people are frighteningly easy to manipulate into doing as they're told. One researcher described the setup as designed discover whether "ordinary Americans would obey immoral orders, as many Germans had done during the Nazi period."

    The answer Milgram gave that question was a disturbing yes.

    In his experiment he instructed subjects to deliver "shocks" to other persons when he told them to. A disturbing majority of the people complied with his voice of authority. In reality, of course, the person getting "shocked" was in on it. He only acted like he was getting shocked. As the fake shocks' intensity went up, so did his acted-out screams of pain and agony.

    Disturbing Yet Influential Results

    Milgram said this showed that people here in America are frighteningly easy to persuade. They'll even shock another human being into total agony, as long as someone in charge says they should do it.

    The experiment was both dramatic and disturbing. It shocked the nation, and it ended up in every first-year psych textbook.

    In 2002 Psychology Today summarized Milgram's influence:

    Those groundbreaking and controversial experiments have had — and continue to have — long-lasting significance. They demonstrated with jarring clarity that ordinary individuals could be induced to act destructively even in the absence of physical coercion, and humans need not be innately evil or aberrant to act in ways that are reprehensible and inhumane. While we would like to believe that when confronted with a moral dilemma we will act as our conscience dictates, Milgram's obedience experiments teach us that in a concrete situation with powerful social constraints, our moral sense can easily be trampled.

    We Should Have Doubted It All Along...


    .... In 2012, though, an Australian named Gina Perry published a book uncovering data Milgram had left out of his reports. It came from forms Milgram had had all his subjects fill out after it was over. He'd asked them there whether they'd actually believed they were delivering real electrical shocks to the "victim."

    The Result, With the Rest of the Data

    Half of them guessed it was fake. They didn't buy the setup. They knew it was a charade, so they went along with it. Those who thought it was real tended to be the ones who'd "defied" authority and pulled out of it.

    Perry and a team of co-authors published a more formal follow-up to that book this summer. PsyPost reports her summary of the results:

    "People who believed the learner was in pain were two and a half more times likely to defy the experimenter and refuse to give further shocks. We found that contrary to Milgram's claims, the majority of subjects in the obedience experiments were defiant, and a significant reason for their refusal to continue was to spare the man pain."

    She went as far as saying it was time to revise the textbooks in light of this new data.

    Lesson: We're Free to Question

    I could draw half a dozen lessons from this. I'll stick with just one, though: Be cautious treating scientists as experts, especially when they speak on human matters. Scientists are as prone to bias as any other human. They've got their social networks to manage. They want to keep up their standing among their peers. And their grant funding, too. Many of them live in a one-sided opinion environment — the university — that's dominated by leftist thinking.

    So science isn't always objective. Sadly, it isn't even always honest. Yet too often people believe what they're told science says, merely because it's "science." ...


    Common sense can go wrong, certainly. Sometimes, though, it's smarter than "research." Common sense could have told any of us to go slow accepting Milgram's results. Yes, most people tend to want to obey authority, but few of us would torture another human being just because a man in a lab coat told us to....



    ...It's ironic, though. Milgram warned us not to obey authority blindly, but to question it based on our own ethics, our own wisdom. That's still good advice — especially when it's "science" that wants to claim that authority.










    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    So I'm ok when testing 9v batteries with my tongue, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    So I'm ok when testing 9v batteries with my tongue, then?
    Everyone thinks I am weird when I do that!

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    Shocking!!

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    Pondering...how does this compare to propoganda regarding destroying a nation through media control driving collective thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    So I'm ok when testing 9v batteries with my tongue, then?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Everyone thinks I am weird when I do that!
    Lol...I've never done that. Does it hurt a lot depending on the power left?

    Can you do it with say 2 D cells or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    Lol...I've never done that. Does it hurt a lot depending on the power left?

    Can you do it with say 2 D cells or something else?
    It you can get your tongue to lay across both ends of a D battery at the same time.

    I assume you said 2 so you have to have the positive end up at the same time with the negative end of the other. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    It you can get your tongue to lay across both ends of a D battery at the same time.

    I assume you said 2 so you have to have the positive end up at the same time with the negative end of the other. :)
    Oh man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    Lol...I've never done that. Does it hurt a lot depending on the power left?

    Can you do it with say 2 D cells or something else?
    I'd start with trying the 9v first.

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