Ok so you readily admit that you know little of the Grand Mufti but in the same vein you judge Bibi's Statement as inflammatory...Originally Posted by Colonel
Again you have been reading too much European Media . You have been trained to instinctively respond like them.
Whether it be Lesbian Mayors in Houston or Anti-Jewish Pro Palestinian zealots you often come off as an apologist for them.
CatchyUsername (10-22-2015)
"Ticking time bomb"....Not one bit of emotion or emoting in one thing I said. I simply gave you a link to a book...to which you keep replying for someone to "give evidence", as a mantra (the same type of manta atheists use when dealing with Christians/Christianity). Instead of reading and learning, you continue to go on and on, demanding evidence (as atheists do), but thing is this. The reason why I said you are acting like an atheist is because you have a distinct pattern of demanding evidence when someone says something you aren't familiar with. Instead of giving someone the benefit of the doubt...as in...."Hey, maybe they know something I DON'T".....you judge the person or statement as being off the wall. It's just a matter of giving someone the benefit of the doubt...something you seem incapable of doing. If you had just said, "Gee, perhaps I'll read up on this el-Husseini dude and see what I come up with". Nope. You just cannot do it. You just seem incapable. You'd argue this for 10 weeks if you could. I'm certain of it.
Not one thing of hostility here, btw. But go ahead and play victim.
But remember to be more teachable in the future and understand that maybe people make statements that perhaps you don't know anything about because you aren't omniscient.
Truth bomb just exploded.
This is sometimes what I'm concerned with :
Titus 2:8 sound speech that cannot be condemned, that one who is an opponent may be ashamed, having nothing evil to say of you
Then when they speak evil of us anyway then their evil becomes more readily apparent, to the glory of God and to the furthering of the gospel because light and darkness are separated properly. That was my concern with the pastors who had apparently talked about the mayor of Houston in their sermons, that it wasn't quite like that. That does not at all mean that the mayor of Houston was not to blame.
With Israel vs Palestinians the whole thing is a bit more complicated because, as Cardinal TT pointed out in the other thread, both sides are made up of secular people. Neither side can be expected to follow Biblical standards including about justice, even when those standards are part of their religion. And as was the case with the situation with the mayor of Houston vs the pastors, it is possible to criticize one side and think that the other side is far worse. It is possible to criticize Christians for not having followed Titus 2:8 even when the other side is basically just being evil.
In the Houston thread, it sounded like people thought that my criticism of the pastors was going to further the mayor of Houston's cause and work against the pastors' cause. That is total nonsense, of course. Not a single one of the people actually involved in that case were going to read any of the posts in the thread nor would the thread affect actual public opinion to any degree. We could have all turned into internet warriors for the mayor of Houston against the world and it would have made no difference.
Colonel, the bottom line is this. You knee jerk when people simply make a statement on things you aren't familiar with. You have a very long pattern of doing this. When all of the progressive leftists and Europeans were busy throwing coniption fits about what BB said, what you fail to understand is that he is an Israeli Jew whose father is a historian. I have not the first clue why you think you would know more than he does, just as I'm flabbergasted why you swear you know more about the US, it's economy, it's politics, etc.....than US citizens. I know most Europeans think they do, but they don't. Surprise, surprise.
It's a matter of being teachable, humble, and not rushing to judgement when someone says something you might not be an expert on. It's just bizarre. I have no clue why your posting style is this way.
Are you teachable? Or not? Want me to post some proverbs about being teachable?
https://madmimi.com/p/62c2d6?fe=1&pact=33998814209Historical Evidence Shows Mufti Did Advise Hitler on Extermination of Jews, Says Middle East Forum Scholar
[T]he Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al-Husaini was a war criminal whose collaboration with Adolf Hitler played a key role in the Holocaust. The Mufti was instrumental in the decision to exterminate the Jews of Europe.
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Middle East Forum Fellow Wolfgang G. Schwanitz, Ph.D.
Philadelphia (MEF) - October 21, 2015 - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has drawn criticism for comments about the role of al-Hajj Amin al-Husaini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem played in conceiving and perpetrating the Holocaust. Indeed, leading Nazi aides testified that al-Husaini was one of the instigators of the genocide. In his 1999 autobiography, a senior Nazi official admitted how he advised Hitler and other leading Nazis, and that he acquired full knowledge of the ongoing mass murder.
Middle East Forum scholar, historian and author Wolfgang G. Schwanitz added, “It is a historical fact that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem al-Hajj Amin al-Husaini was an accomplice whose collaboration with Adolf Hitler played an important role in the Holocaust. He was the foremost extra-European adviser in the process to destroy the Jews of Europe.”
Although Schwanitz heard for the first time the dialogue between Hitler and al-Husaini as told by Netanyahu, Hitler was the key architect of the Final Solution. But indeed, it is absurd to ignore the role played by al-Hajj Amin al-Husaini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler and other leading Nazis to exterminate European Jewry. According to the foremost expert on the ties between Nazis and Islamists, there is much evidence that al-Husaini's primary goal was blocking all of the ways out of Europe. He pushed Hitler to slam the last doors of a burning house shut.
In their 2014 book Nazis, Islamists and the Making of the Modern Middle East, published by Yale University Press, Schwanitz and co-author Barry Rubin delve into the deep ties between Hitler and the Grand Mufti:
“At their meeting [on November 28, 1941, Hitler and al-Husaini] concluded the pact of Jewish genocide in Europe and the Middle East, and immediately afterward, Hitler gave the order to prepare for the Holocaust. The next day invitations went out to thirteen Nazis for the Wannsee Conference to begin organizing the logistics of this mass murder.”
The highly acclaimed book also examined the Grand Mufti’s efforts to prevent Europe’s Jews from finding refuge in the land that would become Israel:
“And since any European Jews let out of Europe might later go to Palestine, al-Husaini made it clear that if Hitler wanted Muslims and Arabs as allies he must close Europe’s exits to Jews. At the same time, al-Husaini and Arab rulers also told Britain that if it wanted to keep Arabs and Muslims from being enemies, it must close entrance to Palestine to all Jews. By succeeding on both fronts, al-Husaini contributed to the Holocaust doubly, directly, and from the start.”
http://www.amazon.com/Nazis-Islamist.../dp/0300140908
The allegation here is that since Netanyahu's father was a historian therefore anything and everything Netanyahu claims is consequently true and I should accept anything he says as true without question. If I do not then I'm not teachable. I have no interest in addressing that allegation.I have not the first clue why you think you would know more than he does
I have never said the above.just as I'm flabbergasted why you swear you know more about the US, it's economy, it's politics, etc.....than US citizens.
Wrong. I said, "Give the benefit of the doubt". Therein lies the problem. Your first instinct in all discussions is to be skeptical just because someone says something you are not familiar with. That's the issue, right there. It's one thing to ask questions, it's another to be highly skeptical and judge people, which is what usually happens. It's a bizarre trait to have. You should ask yourself where that comes from, because it's not what the average person says or does when someone says something that you are not familiar with. Most people would ask questions and refrain from judgement. Not you. You say things like this: The allegation here is that since Netanyahu's father was a historian therefore anything and everything Netanyahu claims is consequently true and I should accept anything he says as true without question.
Again, you knee jerk and are suspicious about something BB says....you seem wholly incapable of simply giving people the benefit of the doubt. Not because he's BB or because he's special, no. It doesn't matter who we are talking about. You do this about everything.
You thought you knew the truth about this issue. That is the only reason why you would keep demanding "evidence", as if BB would say something that he absolutely knows NOTHING about....because after all, you know all history, therefore, he's being inflammatory. It most certainly is a teachability issue. You are skeptical to the point of judging people whenever someone says something you simply know little about. And you will debate it for weeks on end.
I know you don't take any hint of criticism well, but you would do well to heed what I'm telling you. You knew nothing about this, but were willing to be highly critical and quite skeptical of something you literally knew nothing about, because you thought you knew it all about the middle east. That is the bottom line. Only the Holy Spirit can tell you where this comes from. And I'm done here. I won't respond any longer if you are expecting one.
BAP (10-23-2015)
I have no interest in debating this at all. By now all I'm doing is replying to personal accusations. The most interesting thing about the above is the following :
That is total nonsense. My asking for evidence implies that I'm not sure that Netanyahu knows for certain that what he says is true. It does not imply that I think he knows nothing at all.That is the only reason why you would keep demanding "evidence", as if BB would say something that he absolutely knows NOTHING about
More total nonsense. If you think that the Holy Spirit is going to tell me that I think that I know all about the middle east, then you are mistaken.because you thought you knew it all about the middle east
Apart from all your personal accusations I find the above quite interesting. Thanks for posting that.
Full official record: What the mufti said to Hitler
http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-of...aid-to-hitler/
Which doesn't appear to offer any support for Netanyahu's claim :
"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu said Tuesday at the 37th Zionist Congress, according to a transcript on his website. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.'
"'So what should I do with them?' (Hitler) asked. (Husseini) said, 'Burn them.'"
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