The biggest issue I have with this is not so much legalizing suicide, people do and always have killed themselves. What worries me are that sick people will be pressured into ending their lives by their families and in some cases, their doctors.
The biggest issue I have with this is not so much legalizing suicide, people do and always have killed themselves. What worries me are that sick people will be pressured into ending their lives by their families and in some cases, their doctors.
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I'm not saying that you are wrong but do you have some actual scripture on abortion and suicide being disallowed under absolutely all circumstances ? I'm wondering if this is based more on philosophical reasoning than actual scripture.Originally Posted by Quest
Do you have any where it is allowed? Approved by God?
I lean toward
1. Valuing the life He created
2. As LORD over His creation He alone should determine it's demise
3. There is no situation that He is not powerful enough to intervene
4. In His presence is LIFE and tells us to choose life..I take that to be both literal and spiritual.
Nothing in His nature supports taking a life except in actual judgment..and natural death when our work is done.
Suicide is an act of hopelessness..God is the God of HOPE and power.
Abortion even for the health or life of the mother is a carnal either/or that says God's is not big enough to fix that problem so 'I' have to..
These things are contrary to His nature..IMHO
^ From a Christian faith perspective, I would agree. But as a matter of law, I don't feel that the government should have the authority to prevent a person from taking the act.
If the government chooses to allow the act, it is not endorsing the act; it is just saying that the regulation of the act is not a matter that the government should be involved in.
And that is the path of our destruction as a nation IMHO..the truth is when we were founded our lawmakers were guided by a conscience that was heavily influenced by their view of God and His word...that influence has shifted and they are more guided now by the lost rebellious world..
The church is more and more having to face the reality that only GOD moving in conviction and revival within His church and restoring Godly influence and wisdom to our government leaders our nation is doomed to become more and more permeated by lawlessness and evil.
In a word, our foundation was sand from the beginning...because the Bible itself says that evil will wax greater and greater and our foundation left room for that choice. This is also why I have reached the conclusion that no earthly government structure can stand perpetually apart from God Himself being allowed to lead..
Jesus said, My kingdom is not of this world..our focus is being forced to return to this truth...OUR Kingdom is not of this world...Only God can fix the downward spiral of our nation and He can only do it through a humble, repentant, prayerful obedient people..IMHO
Scripture ?the Bible itself says that evil will wax greater and greater
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
So Paul tells Timothy IN THE LAST DAYS...vs 13 evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived...
But YOU continue in the truth...
As with the other thread I believe the Bible makes it clear that evil doers will outnumber the Godly; not that evil will prevail in the end but that it will build in volume and momentum...I also believe that this evil momentum will wake the church torecognize it's desperate need for the leading and empowerment of HOLY SPIRIT in order TO prevail; and repent and come out from among them..separating itself.
I would say that another model for how God can restore a nation is through its people, rather than through its government leaders. Under this model, Godly leaders of a nation might recognize that the enforcement of virtuous behavior is not the proper role of government; yet non-virtuous behavior among the people would diminish as more and more people voluntarily chose to follow God. (I'm not saying that government should allow a person to perform acts that harm other individuals; prohibiting such acts is (in my view) the proper role of government.)
I believe unfortunately the results would be the same if government just left these issues alone (which I think they should have done when Roe vs Wade was introduced)...people do not view liberty as the freedom to pursue God and righteousness but they do look to government to release unrighteousness through the law of the land.....and government restraint only serves to slow or mask the evil.
So either way, a sweeping revival among God's people that convicts and persuades the undecided to turn is the only immediate hope for America..
This will bring about a moral push back of the people and influence government to back off from establishing and removing moral boundaries temporarily...
I just believe that the legalization of abortion was a turning point for America as a nation that it will not recover from...gay marriage legalized and euthanizing and eventually Hitler's view of eliminating all things 'imperfect' will become the norm IF America does not completely implode before then..
Many prophesied during that debate that this is where that road would lead...late term abortion..euthanizing....some also saw Obama care as the next step to that process...
America is spiraling downward and only a move of God can at least slow it down and at best stop it for a season...
That is how I see it..
Recall that the last days began with the resurrection. The context of verse 13 seems more local to me, relating to Timothy's ministry and what would come. Not specific like when Jesus talks about his return and compares those days to the days of Noah and Lot.
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