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    Romans 1
    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

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    Very intelligent fools.

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    Stephen Hawking’s Final Salvo Against God
    By Nancy Pearcey
    October 26, 2018
    https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/n...vo-against-god

    Steven Hawking belongs to that breed of atheist
    who builds his reputation in a narrow specialty, then uses his fame as a platform to pronounce on other pressing questions where he has no particular expertiselike questions about God.

    Hawking’s final book “Brief Answers to Big Questions” was published posthumously with material pulled from interviews, essays, speeches, and questions often asked of the famous physicist.

    Many news reports focused on the most important of the Big Questions: Is there a God? Hawking’s Brief Answer: No. “I think the universe was spontaneously created out of nothing, according to the laws of science.” After all, he argues, “If you accept, as I do, that the laws of nature are fixed, then it doesn't take long to ask: What role is there for God?”

    Is Hawking right that scientific laws rule out any role for God? Despite being a brilliant physicist, he seemed unaware that his objection has already been answered—most famously by the popular literature professor C.S. Lewis, himself a former atheist, who taught at both Oxford and Cambridge University.

    In his book “Miracles,” Lewis concedes that, at first glance, the regularity of nature does seem to rule out the possibility that God is able to act into the world.

    But not so fast. Natural laws tell us only what happens if nothing interferes. People playing a game of pool are applying the laws of physics, which decree that when a billiard ball hits another one, the second ball will start moving. But the laws do not tell what will happen if a mischievous child grabs the ball.

    The laws are still true, of course, but the child has interfered with the physics.

    Humans interfere with natural processes all the time, yet we do not break any laws of nature. We cut down trees to make houses, we weave plant fiber into cloth, we smelt metals to build bridges, we turn sand into silicon chips for computers. Through technology, we are constantly accomplishing things that nature on its own could not produce.

    But do we break a single law of nature? No....



    ...In fact, historically, it was Christianity that gave rise to the concept of scientific laws in the first place. No other ancient culture, east or west, spoke of laws in relation to the physical cosmos.

    The distinguished historian A. R. Hall says the use of the word law in the context of natural events “would have been unintelligible in antiquity, whereas the Hebraic and Christian belief in a deity who was at once Creator and Law-giver rendered it valid.”...



    ...The Christian view of the cosmos
    is confirmed by our ordinary, everyday experience. As we see humans harnessing natural forces through technology—or even performing mundane tasks like cooking dinner and driving cars—it is obvious that personal free agents are perfectly capable of working within a universe operating by fixed laws.

    The early scientists were right: The lawful order in nature does not disprove God. Just the opposite—it confirms the existence of a Law-giver.







    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    “I think the universe was spontaneously created out of nothing, according to the laws of science.”
    So what law of science causes something to be spontaneously created out of nothing...?

    Yeah...that's what I thought.

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    Hawking....

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    So what law of science causes something to be spontaneously created out of nothing...?

    Yeah...that's what I thought.
    What causes laws to operate to begin with ? Stated an other way, why would one point in space care about behaving exactly like any other point in space ? When they all, every last one of them, behave like all the others do, then this phenomenon can be described in terms of a "natural law". But there is no reason whatsoever why there would be any correlation between anything at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    What causes laws to operate to begin with ? Stated an other way, why would one point in space care about behaving exactly like any other point in space ? When they all, every last one of them, behave like all the others do, then this phenomenon can be described in terms of a "natural law". But there is no reason whatsoever why there would be any correlation between anything at all.
    Exactly. Even 'natural law' has to have a supernatural power to set it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Exactly. Even 'natural law' has to have a supernatural power to set it that way.
    Reducing everything to "natural laws" is the scientific mind's way of making things manageable. They so desire simplicity, a simplicity that can be contained within their minds, that they will believe that these "natural laws" simply operate, and perfectly, across all points in time and space. The existence of a simple object is one thing, the existence of indescribable chaos is one thing, the existence of order across vast space, order from nothing, is totally absurd.

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    Reducing everything to "natural laws" is the scientific mind's way of making things manageable. They so desire simplicity, a simplicity that can be contained within their minds, that they will believe that these "natural laws" simply operate, and perfectly, across all points in time and space. The existence of a simple object is one thing, the existence of indescribable chaos is one thing, the existence of order across vast space, order from nothing, is totally absurd.
    Being of a worldly kingdom, "natural" is their authority and complete basis of life. That is their god, it's all they got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Being of a worldly kingdom, “natural” is their authority and complete basis of life. That is their god, it’s all they got.
    It's like existence can be reduced to "one unified theory" and then that is supposed to account for everything. It's total nonsense.

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