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    Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.....it's one thing to get bit and God heal ..another to step into a pit of snakes when the Holy Spirit did not lead you there...God has no obligation to deliver us when we are actively doing our own will...

    And no, I don't believe the Spirit would lead someone to a display like this...when the diviners created a snake, God simply revealed theirs was subject to HIM and consumed them...not for revealing how faith filled the servant is....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    The point of Mark 16:17,18 was not that we could run out and drink poison, play with snakes, cast devils out of everybody, lay hands on everybody, or speak in tongues everywhere we go. But when these things do occur by the leading of the Spirit they can arrest the attention of unbelievers. It's just as wrong to look for demons under every rock and look for sick people to lay hands on everywhere you go as it is to intentionally drink hemlock or be a snake-handler. That's one reason I'm not into the whole Lifestyle Christianity thing. When God brings a situation to you to minister healing that's fine, but evangelizing by asking "do you have any pain or sickness?" to people on the street is error. It can put the "evangelist" in the position of feeling the need to perform, when the emphasis needs to be on the ministry of the word. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
    I agree but make a distinction between 'look for' and having an 'expectation of' by faith....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I agree but make a distinction between 'look for' and having an 'expectation of' by faith....
    You agree on this part too ?

    but evangelizing by asking "do you have any pain or sickness?" to people on the street is error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    You agree on this part too ?
    I believe 'doing ministry' apart from the Spirit intimacy and leading is questionable practice....but to go about with a heightened expectation of opportunities to express God love and mercy is where we should live spiritually....

    I set NO limitations on HOW He would lead someone to minister....

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    Let's think about this a moment, J&G. Jesus gave us the commission to "preach the gospel to every creature" He also said that during the course of this preaching there would be certain accompanying signs. The snake and poison thing have to be balanced out the same way Jesus balanced out the scripture satan threw at him about the angels keeping charge over him and he could not be harmed-"It is written, you shall not test the Lord!"

    As they went about fulfilling this commission, the bible tells us that the Lord was working with them (that is why it is called a co-mission) confirming their preaching with the accompanying signs. What accompanying signs? The ones mentioned in verses 15-18! We also see them re-affirming this notion in Acts 4:29-31. We also see the protection from serpents fulfilled in Acts 28. I have also heard testimonies of missionaries who found out after leading someone to Christ that that same person had tried to poison them on more than one occasion and they were unharmed. As disciples of Christ, we can expect that Jesus is working with us, confirming His gospel with the accompanying signs. We are supposed to do as Jesus did. He preached, healed and delivered everywhere He went. He also commanded us "As you go, preach...." That means "as you go to the gas station, as you go to the grocery store, as you go to the park, etc."

    So, if we are doing what Jesus said to do, shouldn't we also be expecting and experiencing the very things that He said would happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Let's think about this a moment, J&G. Jesus gave us the commission to "preach the gospel to every creature" He also said that during the course of this preaching there would be certain accompanying signs. The snake and poison thing have to be balanced out the same way Jesus balanced out the scripture satan threw at him about the angels keeping charge over him and he could not be harmed-"It is written, you shall not test the Lord!"

    As they went about fulfilling this commission, the bible tells us that the Lord was working with them (that is why it is called a co-mission) confirming their preaching with the accompanying signs. What accompanying signs? The ones mentioned in verses 15-18! We also see them re-affirming this notion in Acts 4:29-31. We also see the protection from serpents fulfilled in Acts 28. I have also heard testimonies of missionaries who found out after leading someone to Christ that that same person had tried to poison them on more than one occasion and they were unharmed. As disciples of Christ, we can expect that Jesus is working with us, confirming His gospel with the accompanying signs. We are supposed to do as Jesus did. He preached, healed and delivered everywhere He went. He also commanded us "As you go, preach...." That means "as you go to the gas station, as you go to the grocery store, as you go to the park, etc."

    So, if we are doing what Jesus said to do, shouldn't we also be expecting and experiencing the very things that He said would happen?
    Some try to live by what He SAID as a substitute of what He is saying....in THAT, they re not the same thing....what He said is generic for the whole body for verification of His will and His voice....

    Avoiding the intimate leading of His Spirit negates the 'living word'.


    We can be saying what he said and is saying OR we can be saying what He said and miss what He is saying.

    ...He SAID go and show yourself to the priest but He might be saying go to the pool and wash....


    The difference is doing what Jesus SAID and doing what Jesus is saying....and I believe that difference is why the fruit is so sparse...

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    Asking who wants to receive prayer for healing then praying for and preaching to those is a bit like preaching or ministering to whoever showed up at church or in the healing line. The minister then ministers to whoever answered the call to be there, just like they minister to whoever answered the call out on the street. Fundamentally there is no difference between the two scenarios.

    Ministers being lead to someone to minister about something is different, whether it happens in a church or on the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    I'm not judging motives. I'm questioning the judgment of people who feel compelled to go looking for sick people to heal. As I stated it's as unwise as snake handling.
    So what is the difference in that and looking for people to witness to? It's all a part of the Great Commission. Between what you said about Shawn Boltz and now this, are you sure you're Charismatic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    It's just as wrong to look for demons under every rock and look for sick people to lay hands on everywhere you go as it is to intentionally drink hemlock or be a snake-handler. That's one reason I'm not into the whole Lifestyle Christianity thing. When God brings a situation to you to minister healing that's fine, but evangelizing by asking "do you have any pain or sickness?" to people on the street is error. It can put the "evangelist" in the position of feeling the need to perform, when the emphasis needs to be on the ministry of the word. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
    Totally disagree. TOTALLY.

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    It's not unwise to have compassion on those afflicted so much so that you would respond by asking a person that has been laid on your heart in the moment. I wouldnt shut that down, that needs to be stirred if anything.
    I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about approaching total strangers looking for somebody to minister healing to. I don't see that in the Bible and I don't think it's what Jesus was talking about any more than He was talking about casting demons out of everybody (we went through that back in the 70s and early 80s when "Pigs In The Parlor" was all the rage) or snake handling. Sure, when the opportunity arises or the Spirit lays a person on your heart I'm all for laying hands on the sick in Jesus' name and believing for healing. No argument there.

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