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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I can see you haven't debated Colonel
    The difference between "certainly" and "probably" isn't exactly rocket science...

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    Well this is for sure...UFO’s are still that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Well this is for sure...UFO’s are still that.
    Some of it's probably just physical phenomena that science hasn't figured out.

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    I don't discount anything that God can do. Whether it be life on other planets, He IS the creator, or creation through evolution. (and THAT statement should open a can of worms) He's the author and perfector of it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    I don't discount anything that God can do. Whether it be life on other planets, He IS the creator, or creation through evolution. (and THAT statement should open a can of worms) He's the author and perfector of it all.
    Evolution as in survival of the fittest is a fact. The creatures that manage to procreate are the ones whose genes are passed on. Evolution as an explanation for history since the beginning is just an atheistic theory. There is a mix involved, creation and evolution.

    To expand this into the realm of the OP, there are many outside factors that could have started, affected or supervised the natural processes, including God, angels, extraterrestrials (in theory).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    I don't discount anything that God can do. Whether it be life on other planets, He IS the creator, or creation through evolution. (and THAT statement should open a can of worms) He's the author and perfector of it all.
    No cans of worms necessary.

    Evolution, properly understood, is an entirely random, purposeless, and unguided process.

    "Theistic Evolution" is an absolute joke and a contradiction in terms.

    It's like having a square circle.

    You can't "front end load" an outcome in an inherently chaotic process.

    However, "survival of the fittest" fits quite nicely within satan's kingdom and was manifested in Nazi Ideology.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Evolution as in survival of the fittest is a fact. The creatures that manage to procreate are the ones whose genes are passed on. Evolution as an explanation for history since the beginning is just an atheistic theory. There is a mix involved, creation and evolution.

    To expand this into the realm of the OP, there are many outside factors that could have started, affected or supervised the natural processes, including God, angels, extraterrestrials (in theory).

    What are the odds of randomly finding a new gene or protein?





    chances of a functional protein by chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    However, "survival of the fittest" fits quite nicely within satan's kingdom and was manifested in Nazi Ideology.
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    It's basically how nature works and it seems that God doesn't step in to affect it much in the here and now. Maybe in subtle ways. Doesn't mean that it applies much to human beings except in the basic genetic sense and it certainly doesn't mean that that is how things have developed here on Earth from nothing and on. If one makes it difficult for birds of a certain color to survive because all of a sudden the environment changed and they are spotted easily by their predators then after a while those birds disappear and the others survive - and the only difference was the color. This has been observed and amounts to survival of the fittest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    .....This has been observed and amounts to survival of the fittest.
    What Evolution cannot (ever) explain is the "arrival of the fittest" to begin with.











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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Evolution as in survival of the fittest is a fact. The creatures that manage to procreate are the ones whose genes are passed on. Evolution as an explanation for history since the beginning is just an atheistic theory. There is a mix involved, creation and evolution.

    To expand this into the realm of the OP, there are many outside factors that could have started, affected or supervised the natural processes, including God, angels, extraterrestrials (in theory).
    Evolution (Darwinian evolution anyway, which is what most people mean when they use the word) is the belief that life began by random chance when the right chemical compounds came together billions of years ago to create the first single celled microbe which eventually evolved into all of the life forms that we see today. This is the basis for the belief in intelligent life and advanced civilizations throughout the galaxy. Natural selection (aka Survival of the fittest) is the mechanism through which evolution supposedly occurred. There is no question that natural selection is a valid process. We can observe mutation occurring in viruses and various life forms that brings about adaptation within the species. The question is whether or not natural selection can produce macro-evolution (going from one species to another) rather than simple micro-evolution (adaptation within the species). But more importantly, as was pointed out in the video by Stephen Meyers, does the idea that a single celled organism can form by random chance even pass the giggle test in the first place?

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