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    I was about to mention that book to you. In the top 10 of books I've read, maybe top 5. They don't don't get much better than that for practical revelation.
    I thought I had that in my library, but I'm not seeing it. Will order it.

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    Those that are teaching this book in 2 of our smaller groups didnt have a clue on what they were getting into. They are mildly shocked at what they didnt know. When we geared up for small groups my lead elder asked if any of the 3 of authors and they didnt know Dutch Sheets. I was grinning ear to ear with joyful entertainment. I replied a simple yes, I know him and vouch for him since I have his other books.

    You just cant find a better book. I surmise it is because he comes from a pastoral perspective.
    He actually teaches something in that book that I taught for years before I read that book. He approaches it a little different than I do. He's actually more thorough in how he teaches it than I was, but uses a lot of the same verses etc.

    It had to do with Jesus is not in heaven praying for us and doesn't say He is. It's really a misinterpretation of the verses people use to say He is. The fact He isn't is really a much more powerful revelation than teaching Jesus is actually in heaven praying for us. Which actually can produce a lot of false doctrine if you think about it.

    Also that chapter on 'Re-presenting Jesus' is really good. This is my paraphrase, but 'He is the producer, we are the distributors. We have no responsibility to produce, just to distribute.' If believers could get that through their head it would relieve a lot of anxiety of 're-presenting' Jesus. The Spirit showed that to me through a verse Dutch doesn't use in his chapter though (I don't think). It's the one where Peter said, 'not by our own power or holiness' when the lame man at the gate was healed. It was 'that name through faith in that name' that healed him. That's another good one to relieve the responsibility for 'producing' if you meditate on it. Had nothing to do with them at al other than being the vessel. Not even how they were or weren't living. We're quick to realize we don't have the power within ourselves to do anything like that. Now we need to get the revelation that it's not by our own holiness either. Holiness isn't the key to distributing for God. Faith is. That alleviated the guilt and excuse that God won't lose you just because you aren't perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    He actually teaches something in that book that I taught for years before I read that book. He approaches it a little different than I do. He's actually more thorough in how he teaches it than I was, but uses a lot of the same verses etc.

    It had to do with Jesus is not in heaven praying for us and doesn't say He is. It's really a misinterpretation of the verses people use to say He is. The fact He isn't is really a much more powerful revelation than teaching Jesus is actually in heaven praying for us. Which actually can produce a lot of false doctrine if you think about it.

    Also that chapter on 'Re-presenting Jesus' is really good. This is my paraphrase, but 'He is the producer, we are the distributors. We have no responsibility to produce, just to distribute.' If believers could get that through their head it would relieve a lot of anxiety of 're-presenting' Jesus. The Spirit showed that to me through a verse Dutch doesn't use in his chapter though (I don't think). It's the one where Peter said, 'not by our own power or holiness' when the lame man at the gate was healed. It was 'that name through faith in that name' that healed him. That's another good one to relieve the responsibility for 'producing' if you meditate on it. Had nothing to do with them at al other than being the vessel. Not even how they were or weren't living. We're quick to realize we don't have the power within ourselves to do anything like that. Now we need to get the revelation that it's not by our own holiness either. Holiness isn't the key to distributing for God. Faith is. That alleviated the guilt and excuse that God won't lose you just because you aren't perfect.
    That’s along the same lines I have taught and ministered healing the past 23yrs. Careful study of the word is critical. “Re-Presenting Christ” was a good chapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    He actually teaches something in that book that I taught for years before I read that book. He approaches it a little different than I do. He's actually more thorough in how he teaches it than I was, but uses a lot of the same verses etc.

    It had to do with Jesus is not in heaven praying for us and doesn't say He is. It's really a misinterpretation of the verses people use to say He is. The fact He isn't is really a much more powerful revelation than teaching Jesus is actually in heaven praying for us. Which actually can produce a lot of false doctrine if you think about it.

    Also that chapter on 'Re-presenting Jesus' is really good. This is my paraphrase, but 'He is the producer, we are the distributors. We have no responsibility to produce, just to distribute.' If believers could get that through their head it would relieve a lot of anxiety of 're-presenting' Jesus. The Spirit showed that to me through a verse Dutch doesn't use in his chapter though (I don't think). It's the one where Peter said, 'not by our own power or holiness' when the lame man at the gate was healed. It was 'that name through faith in that name' that healed him. That's another good one to relieve the responsibility for 'producing' if you meditate on it. Had nothing to do with them at al other than being the vessel. Not even how they were or weren't living. We're quick to realize we don't have the power within ourselves to do anything like that. Now we need to get the revelation that it's not by our own holiness either. Holiness isn't the key to distributing for God. Faith is. That alleviated the guilt and excuse that God won't lose you just because you aren't perfect.
    "holiness" is in fact a KJV mistranslation of Acts 3:12 (the lame man at the gate). The KJV translates the Greek world involved as "godliness" in all the other 14 instances and the NKJV corrects it to "godliness" in Acts 3:12. The Greek word is "eusebia" which means "reverence, respect, piety towards God, godliness". The word used in the following well known verse is a completely different one, "hagiasmos" :

    Heb 2:14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord

    Which has the meanings of holiness, purification, sanctification, consecration

    Becoming a better conduit for the power of God involves pursuing holiness as Heb 2:14 talks about but it's not the kind of piety that the Pharisees produced in their own power. Living in sin doesn't make one a good conduit, it even hinders one's prayers according to several passages. Faith mixes into that, both with the one ministering and the one being ministered to. Faith isn't something one produces in one's own power either, it's a gift from God and then we're back to noone seeing God without holiness. So it all comes down to "the one who seeks will find". Seeks God that is. Not piety, faith as an abstract, power in and of oneself etc. God is the source.

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