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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I like this from Dr. Brown:

    That is a legitimate debate, and it is one that is sure to continue.

    But what cannot be debated is that the national outrage against Kim Davis has nothing to do with her refusing to obey the law and everything to do with her Christian beliefs. Had she found herself on the opposite end of the conflict and had she stood for “gay rights,” refusing to obey a law that she felt discriminated against them, she would be praised from coast to coast.

    Yesterday I tweeted, “It's interesting that gay activists who praised SF mayor Gavin Newsom for illegally issuing marriage licenses now vilify Kim Davis.”

    Hector Alvarez (@eltoritolociito) responded, “@DrMichaelLBrown how is it interesting? He was for marriage equality, she was an anti gay bigot who wasnt doing her job.”

    Doesn’t that say it all?
    That comparison really does put it into perspective doesn't it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The context of "obeying God rather than men" had to do with preaching the gospel, not to do with getting a job in some Roman gladiator stadium then refusing to do one's job because it required doing something that promoted ungodliness. And if some Christian stadium worker found himself in the situation where the Roman authorities suddenly decided to use that stadium for gladiator games then I'm sure he would go find employment elsewhere. Or - at the very least - only work on days when the gladiator games weren't held. Or similar.
    That was the context..but Daniel said the same thing because he would not cease praying...Shadrach and the others refused to bow to an idol...

    So it means more than just ceasing to preach the gospel..it is a refusal do do ANYTHING that violates our faith and conscience.

    When Paul taught about eating food offered to idols he makes it clear that a person's conscience is essential above the 'issue'. To do something that is 'legal' but violates the conscience is sin because it cannot be done by faith..When my conscience says it's wrong if I do it anyway, my faith is hindered.

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    Daniel was required to worship an idol irrespective of circumstances, there was nowhere he could go. He wasn't signing papers for idol worshippers either. His situation would correspond to being forced - oneself - to marry and have sexual relations with someone of the same gender. The act of idol worship could get that real back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    This is another one that made me rethink..

    I still think she need to resign and find another job, but it points out the inequity with Christians.

    Attachment 205

    If she just resigned an moved on it doesn't bring the necessary attention this needs. Somebody has to hang in there and take the bullets for this to get extended exposure. If people don't then it will never come to a head.

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    She is a local, elected official, let the people decide.

    I believe that she personally will not sign off on those certificates but has not banned others in the office from doing so, so it looks like you could get a license but it wouldn't be signed by her, what's the BIG DEAL?

    This is more about states and local rights, not gay agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Daniel was required to worship an idol irrespective of circumstances, there was nowhere he could go. He wasn't signing papers for idol worshippers either. His situation would correspond to being forced - oneself - to marry and have sexual relations with someone of the same gender. The act of idol worship could get that real back then.
    I don't see it that way...Obey man or God...all situations forced that choice regardless of the choice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    If she just resigned an moved on it doesn't bring the necessary attention this needs. Somebody has to hang in there and take the bullets for this to get extended exposure. If people don't then it will never come to a head.
    I get that but it kind of depends, as I see it...IF the law is the law, she should resign and become an activists to change the law. If there is still unsettled legal issues in her jurisdiction..she should stand her ground. Taking an oath of office as a Christian is a binding agreement to enforce/obey the laws..

    Isn't there still some question of the legality of this in KY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I get that but it kind of depends, as I see it...IF the law is the law, she should resign and become an activists to change the law. If there is still unsettled legal issues in her jurisdiction..she should stand her ground. Taking an oath of office as a Christian is a binding agreement to enforce/obey the laws..

    Isn't there still some question of the legality of this in KY?
    Gay mirages are banned in Kentucky.

    The feds saw fit to over ride, as they did with roe v wade.

    Soooo, this will be another fake issue as Christians climb on board for a federal ban which will never happen.

    Restoration of states rights is the only constitutional remedy.

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    FYI

    Ky. clerk jailed for refused to issue gay marriage licenses-screenshot-2015-09-08-10-07-38-jpg

    Most states do not approve of gay mirages.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2015/06/26/s...tate-by-state/

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    FYI

    Ky. clerk jailed for refused to issue gay marriage licenses-screenshot-2015-09-08-10-07-38-jpg

    Most states do not approve of gay mirages.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2015/06/26/s...tate-by-state/
    Thank you for posting that...very helpful for people like me who are visual.

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