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    Pastor Decides She Is Athiest But Won't Leave Her Church

    Pastor Decides She's Atheist But Won't Leave Her Church

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    The Left tries to tell us that inclusiveness is a virtue in every circumstance and no matter what. After all, no one should be excluded from anything for any reason, right? Well, what about when a pastor decides she's an atheist but doesn't want to leave her church?
    The Rev. Gretta Vosper is a dynamic, activist minister with a loyal following at her Protestant congregation in suburban Toronto. She is also an outspoken atheist. "We don't talk about God," Vosper said in an interview, describing services at her West Hill United Church, adding that it's time the church gave up on "the idolatry of a theistic god."

    Vosper's decision to reject God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and to turn her church into a haven for nonbelievers "looking for a community that will help them create meaningful lives without God" has become too much even for the liberal-minded United Church of Canada.
    Seriously. I had to check three times to make sure this wasn't The Onion.

    The United Church of Canada isn't a tiny denomination either. It's the largest Protestant denomination in Canada, after all. Currently, they're looking at taking away Vosper's right to continue as pastor of one of their churches.

    Unsurprisingly, many Christians are baffled as to why a woman would be the pastor of a church that professes to be Christian--as the United Church of Canada does--when she doesn't believe in God, Christ, or any of the things that make Christians Christian.
    Vosper had this to offer:
    If in the end, if the church declares her unsuitable to continue as a minister, Vosper indicated that she'll leave the United Church — and she thinks many of her congregants will come along.
    "I am not interested in remaining in a church that won't accept me," she said.
    Um...again, why would an atheist want to continue on as a minister at a Christian church? One has to teach things like the Bible as a minster, after all.
    Unfortunately, this is the bitter harvest of "inclusiveness at all costs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Pastor Decides She's Atheist But Won't Leave Her Church

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/dad3adf...39%3Bs-an.html

    The Left tries to tell us that inclusiveness is a virtue in every circumstance and no matter what. After all, no one should be excluded from anything for any reason, right? Well, what about when a pastor decides she's an atheist but doesn't want to leave her church?
    The Rev. Gretta Vosper is a dynamic, activist minister with a loyal following at her Protestant congregation in suburban Toronto. She is also an outspoken atheist. “We don’t talk about God,” Vosper said in an interview, describing services at her West Hill United Church, adding that it’s time the church gave up on “the idolatry of a theistic god.”

    Vosper’s decision to reject God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and to turn her church into a haven for nonbelievers “looking for a community that will help them create meaningful lives without God” has become too much even for the liberal-minded United Church of Canada.
    Seriously. I had to check three times to make sure this wasn't The Onion.

    The United Church of Canada isn't a tiny denomination either. It's the largest Protestant denomination in Canada, after all. Currently, they're looking at taking away Vosper's right to continue as pastor of one of their churches.

    Unsurprisingly, many Christians are baffled as to why a woman would be the pastor of a church that professes to be Christian--as the United Church of Canada does--when she doesn't believe in God, Christ, or any of the things that make Christians Christian.
    Vosper had this to offer:
    If in the end, if the church declares her unsuitable to continue as a minister, Vosper indicated that she’ll leave the United Church — and she thinks many of her congregants will come along.
    “I am not interested in remaining in a church that won’t accept me,” she said.
    Um...again, why would an atheist want to continue on as a minister at a Christian church? One has to teach things like the Bible as a minster, after all.
    Unfortunately, this is the bitter harvest of "inclusiveness at all costs."
    The United Church of Canada has been in a downward spiral since at least the early 80s if not earlier. We were very fortunate in that in our little town of about 800, when we were seeking the Lord, the minister and his wife were born again and Spirit filled and we got hooked into the Charismatic Renewal movement that was sweeping through major denominations. There was a GREAT exodus of people who left the UCC in the 80s and early 90s as they were losing the fight to keep it God and Biblically centered.

    The UCC has a very rich heritage of 3 denominations joining together to form and then there was a UCC in every one horse town in Canada.... then........ the wrong people got into the main leadership rolls and it was down hill from there... inclusiveness, homosexuals in the pulpit... and now this? This doesn't surprise me, really....

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    Sounds like a religious pervert to me.

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    First problem is... how does a woman become a pastor in the first place?

    It must not have been a denomination that took the New Testament very seriously, or at best belonged to Cherry Pickers R Us

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    First problem is... how does a woman become a pastor in the first place?

    It must not have been a denomination that took the New Testament very seriously, or at best belonged to Cherry Pickers R Us
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    God's Word does not agree with your cute little cartoon there...

    1 Timothy 3:1-13
    This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
    A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
    Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
    One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
    (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
    Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
    Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
    Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
    Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
    And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
    Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
    Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
    For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.



    Bishop - Strongs G1985
    a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): KJV -- bishop, overseer.

    Deacons - Strongs G1249
    probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare 1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess): KJV -- deacon, minister, servant.


    Titus 1:6-9
    If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
    For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
    But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
    Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

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    Do you guys REALLY have to bring that issue into this. The issue is that she's an athiest. In the pulpit. And she doesn't think she needs to leave.

    The issue is why would she want to even be there???

    It's NOT... let me say it again, NOT, NOT, whether women should be in the pulpit.

    Stop bringing issues from other threads into every conversation...

    The idea would be the same if it were a male minister who was an athiest demanding to stay in the pulpit.

    Why would he ever want to???

    (and yes, I know, she's listening to the father of LIES on this - that was a rhetorical question)

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    The idea would be the same if it were a male minister who was an athiest demanding to stay in the pulpit.
    Oh, that would be different

    Yes, why would he want to stay there unless he wants to turn the church into an atheist church. They have those now ya know.

    I heard a Christian comedian say that in atheist kids church they sing, "nobody loves the little children... all the boys and girls..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    God's Word does not agree with your cute little cartoon there...
    What do you think the "cute little cartoon" is saying
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    What does the truck carry and what is its odor ?

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