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    Post Tulsa Police Officer Charged in death of Terence Crutcher

    TULSA, Oklahoma - The Tulsa County District Attorney Stephen Kunzweiler announced he charged Officer Betty Shelby with first-degree manslaughter in the death of Terence Crutcher.
    Kunzweiler said a warrant has been issued for Shelby, a Tulsa police officer since 2011.

    Kunzweiler said it's important to note that despite the heightened tension in the city over the shooting death of Terence Crutcher, the community has remained peaceful.

    Courtrooms must be the source of justice, he said. He called for ministers to lend "guiding hands" to the public in the wake of the shooting.

    Kunzweiler declined to answer questions following the announcement.

    From the Oklahoma Supreme Court Network:

    Homicide is manslaughter in the first degree in the following cases:

    1. When perpetrated without a design to effect death by a person while engaged in the commission of a misdemeanor.

    2. When perpetrated without a design to effect death, and in a heat of passion, but in a cruel and unusual manner, or by means of a dangerous weapon; unless it is committed under such circumstances as constitute excusable or justifiable homicide.

    3. When perpetrated unnecessarily either while resisting an attempt by the person killed to commit a crime, or after such attempt shall have failed.

    http://www.newson6.com/story/3316089...nty-courthouse

    In my opinion, Manslaughter is the proper charge. I believe officer Shelby acted in the heat of passion because she observed a large, black man behaving strangely. Instead of making a proper assessment of the situation, she acted hastily without considering other options which resulted in the death of an innocent victim. :-(
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    Maybe she could be sentenced to a few years of community service work. Would she be safe, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Maybe she could be sentenced to a few years of community service work in the rough area of town. Would she be safe, though?
    Probably wouldn't be safe. I don't think I want her in prison, but certainly restitution of some kind must be made. Community service would serve a purpose I suppose, but it depends on what it would entail.
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    ValW, as a former police officer, are you trained to shoot to kill? Or are you taught to disable as in shooting them in the leg as opposed to fatally shooting them?

    I do understand if you just disable someone, then they still have the potential to kill you if they didn't drop their weapon in the process.

    Another point I saw awhile back with a police officer is that how someone far away from you can close the distance pretty easily to harm you before you have time to draw your weapon, and when you do draw you don't have time to choose what part of the body you are firing at. You just fire at the middle of the mass so to speak.

    Another question, why don't the police just immediately taze if someone doesn't do what they say? I realize as a cop you're still going to get criticized over this, but at least they're not dead.

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    Now the court will take all facts we don't have and pass judgment. I still have a lot of questions that the articles have not answered..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    ValW, as a former police officer, are you trained to shoot to kill? Or are you taught to disable as in shooting them in the leg as opposed to fatally shooting them?
    We were trained to "remove or stop the threat." In firearms training were were taught to always aim in the center chest area.


    I do understand if you just disable someone, then they still have the potential to kill you if they didn't drop their weapon in the process.

    Another point I saw awhile back with a police officer is that how someone far away from you can close the distance pretty easily to harm you before you have time to draw your weapon, and when you do draw you don't have time to choose what part of the body you are firing at. You just fire at the middle of the mass so to speak.
    That's why I kind of cringe when folk say things like, "the officer could've shot them in the arm or leg." As if an officer has time to take specific aim at a limb while being shot at. Most often by more sophisticated weapons than theirs.

    Another question, why don't the police just immediately taze if someone doesn't do what they say? I realize as a cop you're still going to get criticized over this, but at least they're not dead.
    Tasering can be effective, but not every officer is assigned a taser. The officer has to be properly trained, and that cost money. Officers are trained in physical defensive tactics that work. I know they work because I've had to use them many times.

    Only twice was I in the position of having to fire my weapon in 30 years; that was during a drug raid when the suspects began firing at us first. One of my part was hit by buckshot, but not seriously injured.

    Also, it's up to the individual officer to keep fit after they graduate from the Academy. Most officers are out of shape 5 to 10 years after academy training, depending on their assignment. Which I think causes them to rely on their firearm more than necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Now the court will take all facts we don't have and pass judgment. I still have a lot of questions that the articles have not answered..
    If you can go to Tulsa's News Channel 8 online, you can get the full details on what happened. An attorney gives a play by play of the events that happened and the Prosecutor gives the reasons why Ofc. Shelby is being charged. I just watched it a few minutes ago.
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    In the DA's affidavit, it says Shelby was informed by another officer standing to her left that he had his Taser ready prior to Shelby firing her gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    TULSA, Oklahoma - The Tulsa County District Attorney Stephen Kunzweiler announced he charged Officer Betty Shelby with first-degree manslaughter in the death of Terence Crutcher.
    Will all the rioters, those who destroyed property, thieves etc also be charged with their crimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Will all the rioters, those who destroyed property, thieves etc also be charged with their crimes?
    Rioters should be charged but those rioting were in a different city in a different situation


    What is more important property or human life?

    In this case the policewoman lost the plot by shooting too quickly

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