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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I can see the EU needing to punish Britain to keep their members (Spain, Netherlands etc) from joining in on "the rebellion".

    Cameron's move to attempt to force voters to resolve the EU question once for all by getting an expected vote for remaining in the EU reminds me a lot of the Norwegian prime minister Thorbjørn Jagland's statement during the 1997 election that unless his party got at least 36.9 percent of the votes (yes it was that specific) then his government would resign. Which backfired. Voters have a tendency to rebel against attempts to simply tell them what to do.
    Yep, all seems about right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkfish View Post
    Here's a great summary that's been doing the rounds recently. This should help clear everything up.
    That sounds like 100 different conspiracy theories on American affairs and politics that I've read before. Is it gaining a following ?

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    Watching the BBC has been a hoot this week! OH how the leftists are screaming and squirming frantically, searching for a way to leave democracy behind. Meanwhile the anti-democratic Democrats of the US are working furiously to derail the clearly stated will of the majority of the UK. To make this all just a little bit worse, the US is about to elect a new government that nobody trusts. Its like ringside seats at a 10 ring circus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    Regarding your last point, I heard on the news this morning that Nigel Farage, head of UKIP and big supporter of Brexit, has basically admitted that the Leave campaign's advertisements claiming 350m/week for NHS were false.

    Seems that a lot of Brits who voted to leave are having second thoughts.
    So they didn't know there would be difficulty and a time of restructuring and redefining themselves that would be painful? ..politicians rarely point those out until after they get the vote they want..and people rarely have the vision and for sight to see it coming..this generation does not want challenging and hard...so some no doubt were naïve about the immediate results of the vote.

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    What will the long term effects be ? Well we really don't know. The British have made themselves guinea pigs in an experiment of their own device.

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    At it's core, it is about whether people want to be ruled by elected officials or ruled over by administrative fiat of unelected bureaucrats..
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Not every hyper idealistic option will work in practical reality. There are reasons why the NT doesn't dictate that people should seek to free themselves from the Roman empire to the degree possible. The EU is nothing compared to that but even the Roman empire brought stability and prosperity and helped fend off worse aggressors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkfish View Post
    Here's a great summary that's been doing the rounds recently. This should help clear everything up.
    What the....what??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Not every hyper idealistic option will work in practical reality. There are reasons why the NT doesn't dictate that people should seek to free themselves from the Roman empire to the degree possible. The EU is nothing compared to that but even the Roman empire brought stability and prosperity and helped fend off worse aggressors.
    That was not why God told them not to seek to free themselves...IMHO That's like saying God said stay put even thought they are persecuting and executing you it's a stable government and they will protect you from worse leaders than NERO? .

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    The EU isn't executing and persecuting Christians at the moment, nor have they done so previously. The passages I had in mind from the Gospels and Romans were written years before Nero even began persecuting Christians. Nero wasn't even born at the time of Jesus. The Roman empire they referred to was better in many ways than the alternatives.

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