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    It could also be that she couldnt really get by on her pension and was depleting her savings to pay her tithe and now her savings were gone. But we dont really know.

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    Seriously guys? I don't even know what to say to that.

    And as for the widow's mite, Jesus was not using her as an example of how we are to give. He had just rebuked the Pharisees for the doctrine they preached and how they devour windows houses., then he uses the window as an example of a widow's house they just devoured through their doctrine that would cause her to give all she had. She would be losing her house next because she didn't have any more money. Their doctrine about giving was eerily similar to the TV preachers today.

    With all due respect, this just shows how tithing doctrine gives people the stupids when it comes to relationships and mercy and grace.
    According to the law she was definitely required to pay her tithes. Then there were obligatory sacrifices which cost money. The Pharisees may have bullied people into giving offerings on top of that as well, we don't know for sure. Recall that one of the things that Jesus told the Pharisee who tithed of his garden herbs was to apply mercy in addition to keeping the law. Mercy to a widow who is very poor would either be to skip extracting a tithe from her or to plain pay her tithe for her. Thereby avoiding "devouring widows' houses". Note that all this is under the law and not under the new covenant. The last thing he tells them before he starts observing people who give including the widow and her mite is "These will receive greater condemnation.” If he says that about Pharisees who were supposed to keep the law according to the letter, how much more will he say that about ministers today who do the same and who are under the ministry of the Spirit and not of the letter ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    Yes, take ONE INSTANCE and turn it into, "give 10% of your social security check every month to the Church or else!"
    Actually...yes...honoring God with our substance by faith is worship...whether it's 10% of a SS check or 10% of a billion dollar industry...Jesus was addressing her HEART so that instance is a universal message of the heart that pleases God..and the one that does not...it was not a message of giving..it was a message of love within the context of giving...universal message...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    It could also be that she couldnt really get by on her pension and was depleting her savings to pay her tithe and now her savings were gone. But we dont really know.
    Right Colonel...we don't know what was in her heart or her circumstances...maybe they did?

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    I think Jesus' point was that the Pharisees didn't even honor the widows who gave themselves into ruin because it didn't really amount to that much money, they were far more happy with having caught the rich people by their tails and having extracted money from them, yet still far less than those could afford to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Right Colonel...we don't know what was in her heart or her circumstances...maybe they did?
    Loyalty towards tithe-extracting churches. I admire loyalty. Some times.

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    Maybe it's just me but I am personally getting tired of the jabs and mocking because of my belief...it's time for you and others doing this to stop..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Maybe it's just me but I am personally getting tired of the jabs and mocking because of my belief...it's time for you and others doing this to stop..
    What I just said has got absolutely nothing to do with your belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I think Jesus' point was that the Pharisees didn't even honor the widows who gave themselves into ruin because it didn't really amount to that much money, they were far more happy with having caught the rich people by their tails and having extracted money from them, yet still far less than those could afford to give.
    Nope...His words made His message clear..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Nope...His words made His message clear..
    Quest, why did he say that just after he had talked about how the Pharisees "devoured widows' houses" ?

    Mark 12:40 who devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. These will receive greater condemnation.”
    41 Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much.
    42 Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites, which make a quadrans.
    43 So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury;
    44 for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood.”

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