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    Gov't Doctor doesn't know if 'lying or guessing' about COVID vax data

    Asked if the government was 'lying or guessing' about COVID vax data, Birx admits: 'I don't know'

    Deborah Birx, the infectious disease specialist who was a fixture of the federal government's pandemic response at the start of the pandemic in 2020, made a stunning admission this week when she said she could not confidently rule out that the government last year was lying about COVID-19 vaccination efficacy.

    Multiple Biden administration officials, including President Joe Biden himself as well as Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky, indicated repeatedly last year that individuals who had been vaccinated against COVID-19 could not contract the virus.

    Over the past year, however, "breakthrough infections" have become a common feature of life in the post-vaccination era of the COVID pandemic, with many vaccinated people regularly getting infected by the virus.

    Asked by Rep. Jim Jordan during a congressional hearing on Thursday whether government officials were "guessing or ... lying" by making those claims, Birx bluntly responded: "I don't know."

    "All I know is there was evidence from the global pandemic that natural reinfection was occurring, and since the vaccine was based on natural immunity, you cannot make the conclusion that the vaccine will do better than natural infection."

    Pressed by Jordan on the fact that she "can't rule out the fact that our government was lying to us when they told us the vaccinated could not get the virus," Birx responded: "I don't know about their discussions that they had in the task force."
    Asked if the government was 'lying or guessing' about COVID vax data, Birx admits: 'I don't know' | Just The News

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    That was a convenient assessment.

    And by the fence-riding nature of that reply, how could anyone trust Fauci or any "science"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    That was a convenient assessment.

    And by the fence-riding nature of that reply, how could anyone trust Fauci or any "science"?
    Hopefully tschau will be along shortly to help clear this up with the "facts".




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    HI and yes, i just love facts
    Well, science is not something written in stone, and does not expect to be that.
    As I understood it was that in the beginning it was thought that the vaccine could prevent Covid.
    All scientist today agree that this hope did not happen.
    People with the vaccine can get Covid.
    What also has been seen is that people with the vaccine very, very seldom die from from Covid
    On the other hand, the people now dying from Covid (or spending weeks an ICU) are nearly always not vaccinated.

    Nobody except facebook knew 3.5 years ago all about Covid, and we still do not know all. But we learned a lot on the way.
    Another thing is that there are numbers and then there are interpretations.
    The numbers are widely discussed in the scientific world, like how do you get to the numbers. Statistics are not as easy as some may think. Also the conclusions are widely discussed. This is normal under scientist. It is a way to figure out how to get nearer to truth.
    I have followed what several virologist have been saying, and today I tend to have more trust in those who have been saying what later then happened. But even these can be wrong in some issues. And any good scientist will admit it, if he wants to be respected in the scientific community.

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    I hope to make sense. It is so hot here, nearly 100 degree Fahrenheit. That is just to much to think clearly

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    Tschau, Just one thought on your post about respected scientists.

    There are MANY scientists who were highly respected in their fields, eg. virology and biology, who, as soon as they began to be vocal in their disagreement with the Covid narrative, were suddenly trashed, discredited, fired where possible. Many of them were top in their field. Factor into that Drs in ERs, family drs, nurses and specialists who have been threatened to silence or fired or lost their licences and credentials and the number is in the thousands. These are facts as well.
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    I understand what you are saying,
    to me it seems like a american problem.
    Here in (parts of)Europe it is a bit different.
    There were some people loosing their job, but none of them were publishing studies that met the requirement of their universities, etc (like the studies need to be random, double-blind, big enough group and more).


    The situaton was in my eyes very well handled in Switzerland

    Here in Albania the politicans were the problem not the specialists, like for requiring unnecessary rules (like wearing masks outdoors, or in a car when travelling with your spouse etc)
    At the end many did not believe what they were saying. I do not understand the gouvernment here. It would have been so easy to stick with the few rules scientist were giving.
    Many have been fined for not doing according to these rules. Here I understand their protests.
    As a foreigner and specially as a missionary I tried to stick to the rules as far as I could even if i thought they were useless. Tricky situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by tschau View Post
    I understand what you are saying,
    to me it seems like a american problem.
    Here in (parts of)Europe it is a bit different.
    There were some people loosing their job, but none of them were publishing studies that met the requirement of their universities, etc (like the studies need to be random, double-blind, big enough group and more).


    The situaton was in my eyes very well handled in Switzerland

    Here in Albania the politicans were the problem not the specialists, like for requiring unnecessary rules (like wearing masks outdoors, or in a car when travelling with your spouse etc)
    At the end many did not believe what they were saying. I do not understand the gouvernment here. It would have been so easy to stick with the few rules scientist were giving.
    Many have been fined for not doing according to these rules. Here I understand their protests.
    As a foreigner and specially as a missionary I tried to stick to the rules as far as I could even if i thought they were useless. Tricky situation
    The "covid narrative" I mentioned IS the governments (the puppets) AND the puppeteers, such as the WHO, United Nations, etc, AND the ones who are the money and puppeteers above them. The ones who say, "you will own nothing and be happy." THAT is their goal ... complete and total control over humans world wide. THESE are the powers that moved quickly and powerfully to silence the truth tellers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tschau View Post
    On the other hand, the people now dying from Covid (or spending weeks an ICU) are nearly always not vaccinated.
    Covid Pandemic Truths: "VACCINES" Cause More Severe Illness and Death.


    Covid Pandemic Truths: "Vaccines" Cause More Severe Illness and Death – The Expose

    Here's a real eye opener!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tschau View Post

    What also has been seen is that people with the vaccine very, very seldom die from from Covid
    On the other hand, the people now dying from Covid (or spending weeks an ICU) are nearly always not vaccinated.
    This is text book cognitive dissonance. You are fed another lie and it's easier for you to accept the lie than admit to being wrong, your ego (pride) remains intact. We are all subject to this, it is just human nature and they use this technique against us all the time to promote agendas that we would otherwise reject.

    The notion that vaccine recipients somehow become less ill from the virus is junk science, magical thinking. When that notion becomes thoroughly disproved, they'll just move on to another lie and most will accept it in order to protect their egos. It will probably go along the lines of something like .. "The vaccines don't protect against the virus in any way but anecdotal evidence points to recipients having shinier hair and stronger nails" and everyone who has need of ego protection will be satisfied that they did the right thing, "I love what the vaccine did for my hair!".

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