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    You say you don't believe stats from "so called health providers." Then who do you believe? Jim Baker? Marcus Lamb? the NOQ report? What makes them authorities? I've seen all sorts of reports that have no more credibility than the national inquirer. But when doctors as a whole, and almost the entire medical industry recommends something, somehow that lacks credibility. I don't get it. You said, "when they say unvaccinated, we don't even know what that means." It's easy. It means they didn't get the vaccine, in spite of their doctors advice. Ivermectin and HCQ are not being used being because they are not the best. Where my wife works, they refuse to use those drugs. I guess it's all part of the evil conspiracy.

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    Well, my wife isn't a government agent, trying to fool anyone. She is a nurse on the front lines. The infectious disease doctors, the pulmonary doctors, the doctors of every stripe in the hospital that she has worked at for years must all be lying to her. At some point, we have to decide who is being paranoid and who is living in reality. You said, "We know the vaccine don't work." No, we don't know that. They are highly effective, as the statistics bear out. But I must be a government agent too, trying to lie to you for some reason. The vaccine can't stop covid in every case, and especially not in those who have weakened immune symptoms or underlying conditions. Thats been stated from the start.
    I don't think front line doctors are a good source either, they have bills to pay, if they buck the narrative they get hurt. Are they all lying? Probably. I wonder how many of them are taking Ivermectin.

    But Hey, I just want to let you know, this is a pretty heated topic so don't take anything personal. You want the shots, get the shots, no one is going to knock you for that. Oh, and by the way, yes, the medical people are government agents, for the most part, that's who pays them. I think they are still getting 30 grand or so bonus for putting someone on a ventilator so hmmm, do we stick them on a ventilator and pick up 30G or do we offer some Ivermectin for 10 bucks...

    here's a funny one that just came across the wire about OMICRON , woah scary new variant!

    Here they tell us ...

    The person with the Omicron variant is an adult male, is a resident of Hennepin County, and had been vaccinated. The person developed mild symptoms on Nov. 22 and sought COVID-19 testing on Nov. 24. The person's symptoms have resolved.
    Then they tell us ..

    Meanwhile, health officials urge Minnesotans to take the following steps to protect against COVID-19, including variants like Omicron:

    Get vaccinated and if eligible get a booster.


    And you are wondering why people are skeptical?

    News release: Lab testing confirms state’s first COVID-19 case involving Omicron variant

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    Quote Originally Posted by His_Workmanship View Post
    You say you don't believe stats from "so called health providers." Then who do you believe? Jim Baker? Marcus Lamb? the NOQ report? What makes them authorities? I've seen all sorts of reports that have no more credibility than the national inquirer. But when doctors as a whole, and almost the entire medical industry recommends something, somehow that lacks credibility. I don't get it. You said, "when they say unvaccinated, we don't even know what that means." It's easy. It means they didn't get the vaccine, in spite of their doctors advice. Ivermectin and HCQ are not being used being because they are not the best. Where my wife works, they refuse to use those drugs. I guess it's all part of the evil conspiracy.
    I'll guarantee you that there are many personnel taking Ivermectin in "Health Care" facilities, just not the patients. Early on it was doctors and their families that were hoarding HCQ and Ivermectin.

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    No one is getting a bonus for putting someone on a ventilator. How ridiculous. But I guess all doctors are government agents, paid by the government as you say. They take the medications they don't recommend to others, and they lie to us. Thats pretty paranoid. I've know and lived with my wife over 40 years. She is credible. We know and trust many in the medical field. I pray no one in your family gets sick. You are right, it's a heated topic, and I didn't mean to inflame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by His_Workmanship View Post
    No one is getting a bonus for putting someone on a ventilator. How ridiculous. But I guess all doctors are government agents, paid by the government as you say. They take the medications they don't recommend to others, and they lie to us. Thats pretty paranoid. I've know and lived with my wife over 40 years. She is credible. We know and trust many in the medical field. I pray no one in your family gets sick. You are right, it's a heated topic, and I didn't mean to inflame.
    I'm not paranoid and you're not a stupid sheep. That's where the enemy wants us to go.

    The truth is if you want the shot, get the shot, it's your business not mine, nor is my decision your business. This is crazy town with everybody demanding to know medical conditions of perfect strangers and in all likelihood illegal, there are HIPPA laws. It's not about vaccines anyway, it's about "passports", digital surveillance. If they cared about our health they would have put some Ivermectin in the mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    BTW, I read the article you posted but again, I simply don't believe stats coming from so-called "health providers", firstly when they say "unvaccinated", we don't know what that means, I know plenty of people who immediately got Covid after their first shot so since they didn't receive their second and third shot yet, they are considered to be "unvaccinated". They have all lied about statistics but they have truly put their evil on full display by refusing to treat patients with simple remedies like Ivermectin and HCQ.
    This.

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    I don't trust one stat any more from pro vaccine sources. They've been so politicized/weaponized you can't believe them any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I'm not paranoid and you're not a stupid sheep. That's where the enemy wants us to go.

    The truth is if you want the shot, get the shot, it's your business not mine, nor is my decision your business. This is crazy town with everybody demanding to know medical conditions of perfect strangers and in all likelihood illegal, there are HIPPA laws. It's not about vaccines anyway, it's about "passports", digital surveillance.].
    Bingo.

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    No one is getting a bonus for putting someone on a ventilator.

    Actually they are getting paid a lot more if they're covid positive or even just 'presumed' a covid patient. You can read the whole article but here's the bottom line.


    Our ruling: True
    We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

    Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

    Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    Actually they are getting paid a lot more if they're covid positive or even just 'presumed' a covid patient. You can read the whole article but here's the bottom line.


    Our ruling: True
    We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

    Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

    Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients
    I guess I was wrong about "health care" providers picking up $30,000 for a ventilated patient, it's actually $39,000.

    COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
    Health care people aren't angels, they are human and subject to perverse incentives dropped into their lap. Like I mentioned earlier, when the decision rests on picking up 39 Grand or dispensing a few pills it's pretty obvious where it goes.

    Here in FL they are now doing an audit of all the death certificates that claimed "covid". My guess is they will turn up massive fraud.

    I used to think health care people wore halos until a few things happened, when my oldest daughter was born the Demarol for the epidural went missing, I think half the people in the room were buzzed. I also had the experience of having a nurse as a next door neighbor. LOL. No halos...

    The most important person in any medical office is the one who understands BILLING CODES.

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