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    Ugh. What do you think about this?

    I have no problem with self-defense. But I find Falwell's remarks in the article below to be discouraging to say the least. Maybe they were taken out of context. I see the whole Islamic terrorism thing as first a spiritual warfare issue and secondarily a war on the fleshly level. Islamic terrorism is a call to Christians to a). repent b). pray.

    I see neither mentioned here.

    I really didn't like these two comments by Falwell:

    "Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here..."

    "I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in..."

    Here's the text of the article.

    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. urged students, staff and faculty at his Christian school to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon on campus to counter any copycat attack like the deadly rampage in California just days ago.

    "Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here," Falwell told an estimated 10,000 of the campus community at convocation Friday in Lynchburg. While Falwell's call to arms was applauded, his remarks also seemed to target Muslims.

    "I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in .," Falwell said. The final words of his statement could not be clearly heard on a videotape of the remarks.

    However, Falwell told The Associated Press on Saturday he was specifically referring to Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, the husband and wife who shot and killed 14 people at a holiday party in San Bernardino on Wednesday.

    Falwell also said he believed the campus needed to be prepared in the face of the increasing frequency of mass killings. He cited, for example, the 2007 massacre of 32 people at Virginia Tech, the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, and less than 100 miles southwest of Liberty.

    "What if just one of those students or one of those faculty members had a concealed permit and was carrying a weapon when the shooter walked into Virginia Tech? Countless lives could have been saved," he said.

    Falwell's message is apparently being heeded. He said more than 100 people had asked Liberty police about a free class to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

    Liberty was founded by Jerry Falwell Sr., who was among the nation's first conservative cultural warriors. The Moral Majority founder's barbed commentary on contemporary matters such as gay Americans made him a reviled figure to some and a pioneering conservative crusader to others.

    Following the San Bernardino shootings, which left 14 dead, Falwell said he began carrying a .25-caliber handgun in his back pocket. He said he's had a permit for more than year.

    During his address Friday, Falwell mentioned the weapon and reached around seemingly to fetch it.

    "Is it illegal to pull it out? I don't know," he said, laughing, drawing some hoots from the audience.

    Asked if he was concerned by the prospect of thousands of armed young people on campus, Falwell said Virginia has a minimum age of 21 for a carry-conceal permit. He said that meant only older students would be armed.

    More than 14,000 students are enrolled at Liberty.

    Falwell said he had also reached out to a first responder in San Bernardino to see if the school could offer scholarship assistance to his children.

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    not many people know this but Jesus had a concealed weapons permit.....

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    I say we need more responses just like his!

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    Fallwell should exchange that pee-shooter 25mm for a 357 magnum.

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    There seems to be a divide in the church over guns and welfare...it just saddens me.

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    Jesus said to his disciples, take swords. Why? Wasn't their faith enough? I find no fault with those of faith who also want to protect their home and families with weapons.

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    Good, challenging, post.

    I, too, have no problem with self-defense. I am not sure having everyone walking around with a gun will reduce violence or increase it. On the one hand, there would be more opportunities for shooters like the ones in San Bernardino to be stopped; on the other hand, we could end up with a wild-west environment where minor disagreements escalate up to shootings.

    The state of Vermont has very liberal gun laws (liberal in the sense that guns are easily obtainable), yet the crime rate is very low. So, I think it depends on the people, and on the culture. In a civil culture where people are humble and generally respect each other, introducing more guns won't necessarily increase violence, but in an uncivil culture where people are prideful and distrustful, and always trying to demonstrate their superior toughness, more guns could mean more violence.

    As for Rev. Falwell's son, I would want to hear all of the remarks. But I would say that among the words cited, I was disappointed to not hear anything about love of enemy and the importance of being a peacemaker. I don't think these two concepts are inconsistent with self-defense.

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    I'm in agreement with you nj...but for me it's not people carrying weapons concealed or otherwise that I have a problem with...it's having semi-automatic weapons. If you can't get the job done with a single shooter, then you're doing it wrong.

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    The idea behind the Second Ammendment was that the citizens could protect their life, property, AND Liberty. The Founders were very wary of government becoming oppressive and exceeding its Constitutional authority. When debating guns, we need to understand the whole intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    The state of Vermont has very liberal gun laws (liberal in the sense that guns are easily obtainable), yet the crime rate is very low...

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